Uncanny Avengers #15

[flint_marko]

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[chrisdv]

Meh.

Aliens trying to kill all life on Earth? Must be Wednesday.

[hyperanthropos]

Dear me, have we become jaded, have we not?.
Back in 1966, when Galactus showed up for the first time, everybody was
"If this be Doomsday!"

Now in 2013 it's
"Must be Wednesday."

I agree though, the trope has been somewhat overplayed.(:

[thatnickguy]

No, we would've thought it was Doomsday in 1992... in the Superman comic. *troll face*

[randyripoff]

Sadly, it seems that the folks at Marvel have decided that the Avengers just are not interesting in the slightest unless the universe is about to end.

[obsidianwolf]

Shouldn't the avengers be on the phone trying to locate Sue Richards?

I mean after all she killed Exitar that one time come on Uatu I know you aren't supposed to interfere but why don't you reminisce about the time Sue killed him to save your people from being wiped out..

How nice Rogue and Simon died for no reason since Wanda's grand plan to double cross the twins played right into their hands surprise surprise.

Edited for spelling and cause I always get Uatu's name wrong

[cainofdreaming]

If that was still an option then wouldn't the FF have done so when they faced the Dreaming Celestial with Doom? Celestials just leaving such a huge hole in their defence and not doing anything about it is kinda ludicrous isn't it? Not that it wasn't when it made its first appearance. I mean, it's not like any which cosmic powers couldn't tap into hyperspatial energy, which doesn't mesh with the status Celestials have.

[obsidianwolf]

Considering Death for the Celestials is about as big an inconvenience as being knocked out is to a comic book character. Every time one of them has died they've reappeared in their very next appearance.

This title also really downgrades the Celestials since now there's an axe Thor had forged that can kill them. The best explanation is when the Celestials show up if someone manages to kill them they take it as proof their experiments deserve to survive for a little while longer.

So once the Avengers do the impossible and destroy Exitar again he'll be dead until he shows back up next time Earth is going to be Imperiled or when he's going to wipe out some other planet the Celestials played around with.

[cainofdreaming]

Yes, but if they were in a, say, war with, for an example, the Watchers then such a glaring vulnerability would result in every conflict ending with them inconvenienced (that is if the Watchers did anything, except look at them menacingly). You can't very well hope to overcome your challengers if they all can simply remove you from battlefield just like that.

It just doesn't fit in with the status Celestials have in Marvel cosmology, if there's such an easily accessible kryptonite.

[obsidianwolf]

I doubt they'd ever use it again since Marvel seems to have a new impossible way to kill Celestials every time they need them. Despite them being heavy hitters equal to or beyond Galactus (its never been made clear whose on top usually its the writers favorite in a given story)

Personally the explanation I'd go with for Susan's killing Exitar is the Celestials guard against such attacks from cosmic level threats but didn't expect a lowly human to be able to channel that energy. Susan also used it directly on Exitar's brain IIRC.

I just think it is something the Avengers should consider or hell try to recover Thor's magic celestial killing axe (Despite how silly that is considering Odin and two other sky father's couldn't affect a single celestial.)

When a threat like Exitar shows up you call in everyone who's ever beat them no matter how unlikely they could do it again.

[cainofdreaming]

Exitar's role in their grand experiment is pretty well defined. He's the one that ends it, if they deem it failure. So he, if anyone, should be mindful of the attacks of these lowly humans. He's the one that has to endure them when they don't just go gently into that good night.

Also, given that a partial goal of their experiment is creation of the likes of Franklin Richards they are well aware of the potential of these lowly humans. They engineered it.

And, yes, the fatal blow was done inside Exitar's brain. But just to get there Sue had to crack his shell. Also, Exitar was perfectly aware of what was going on, he was talking to Sue at the time. Or at least a representation of part of his consciousness was. As always it's complicated with the cosmics.

And the axe... I'm starting to think Marvel should adapt a hands off policy to Kirby creations for the duration. My desk and head would both be grateful.

[obsidianwolf]

Thing is that's not the first time Exitar has ignored someone walking around near his brain. Thor did it that time Exitar was only going to kill half a planet and actually grabbed a hold of Celestial brain which led to Exitar throwing him out after he'd nearly wrecked the whole process.

Hubris seemed to be a common flaw of Exitar's and Celestials in general when it comes to lesser beings walking around in their heads.

Now I'm hoping whatever ass pull solves this mess involves a human walking around in side Exitar's head just to continue the trend. If your going to point a cosmic unstoppable death at Earth and then ass pull a way to stop it.

Stick with Tradition put them in Exitar's head.

[cainofdreaming]

But that's not the thing since Exitar didn't ignore Susan. He was just trying to talk her to their point of view that the Watchers didn't deserve to survive. Which really didn't fly with her. Ignorance really doesn't work as an excuse when you're in a conversation with the person who you're supposed to be ignoring.

[obsidianwolf]

I'd say it was more ignoring the threat she could pose. Death doesn't seem to mean much of anything to them. Similar to the time Thor was there. Exitar was aware of him but didn't consider him any kind of threat even after he'd blown open his brain case. It was only when he jumped in there and grabbed on that Exitar decided to do what he could have done at any time and simply expell him.

At the end of the day Every time the Celestials have been "defeated" it's read as either they are so arrogant they over look everything or they secretly want to be defeated.

The Susan case could go either way either Exitar was so arrogant that he never imaged her attacking his brain while he was talking to her or he agreed with her idea to end the conflict by "killing" him after he got rid of the one.

The earlier Thor incident IMO reads more clearly as arrogance since the Celestials actually call Thor out on how his actions could have doomed the whole race instead of the segment they deemed impure.

[icon_uk]

The Dimension of Manifestations was having a sale, and Exitar took the cheapest option they had going? After the Sue Richards debacle it learned it's lesson and spends the cosmic moolah on the upgrades...

[obsidianwolf]

Well what do you expect when you let the new borns make your body. You should at least go for the young adults esp if you can get the few who make bodies for Galactus so he can appear in court without actually being in court.

[draganoche]

I see two outcomes
1) the celestial destroys the earth, confirming the theory that Kang Timey Wimey shenanigans will occur likely bringing back Rouge, Scarlet and Wonderman

2) the Sentry who has his own agenda (seeing the twin's plan as the best way to protect humanity) shows up and curbstomps the celestial (the guy stalemated Galactus, he should be able to handle 1 celestial)

Also why is this series dragging on so much? 15 issues and they're still in their second arc i think

[cainofdreaming]

Arishem treated three leaders of Earth pantheons (Odin, Zeus and Vishnu) like they were inconsequential to him and forced them to accept non-interference on Celestials' meddling of Earth. And he did this through just his personal power, with no other Celestials backing him up.

I'm having hard time seeing Sentry match that kind of power. It's not just that a Celestial outfought three skyfathers, he didn't even need to bother raising his hand at them to cow them into submission.

[icon_uk]

Arishem - "A million exploding suns? Oh that's so CUTE! Eson! Gammenon! Come over here and see this darling little thing with the power of a million exploding suns, it's adorable!"

[spacebetween]

I don't see Sentry being able to beat a Celestial. On a whole, the Celestials barely register Humans, Mutants, Atlanteans and other Earth races as a threat. Franklin Richards was one of the first (and possibly only) that is even close to them at this point in time.

Just to hang a lampshade on it...

[featheredserpent]

I'd really like to see the MU destroy the Earth and everything on it for at least a year, and then have the survivors deal with it by searching for a Continuity Reset Button.

Re: Just to hang a lampshade on it...

[lbd_nytetrayn]

I'm down with that.

Re: Just to hang a lampshade on it...

[practicalcat]

...I might actually start buying Marvel again if they did that.

Paging Franklin Richards

[featheredserpent]

Also, wasn't there another Celestial just standing around San Francisco?

Re: Paging Franklin Richards

[kd_the_movie]

That was The Dreaming Celestial who actually departed Earth in the very shortlived '08 Eternals ongoing.....Which was subsequently forgotten about in the X books....

[althechi]

Uatu! Stop being rude and point with your thumb instead!

[icon_uk]

Hmmm.... This smacks of the Russell T Davis approach to cliffhangers. RTD is superb at ramping up the peril level in his cliffhangers, even if it sadly means that they are SO incredibly OTT that he needs to pull out an annoyingly convenient plot device to fix it all.

[cainofdreaming]

Frankly I'm expecting someone to turn Exitar into another Sinister Celestialmobile by the end of this...

[big_daddy_d]

Well there you go everyone. No more humans. So can we let go of "No More Mutants?" Looking at you Rogue.

[flint_marko]

Sure, right after the Apocalypse Twins join the Avengers.

[big_daddy_d]

I see what you did there. :P

[lorriek]

So Wanda's bad decisions made things worse. Sounds about right. Poor Rogue took action too late. But none of this is going to matter. It's Remender and there will be time travel. But I really don't understand the point of this book. Unity team my ass.

[nyadnar17]

For the record this is an awesome plan the twins have.

I wonder what the Sentry is going to have to say about the extinction of all human life. Seems like that would really put a damper on his plans to become the next Apocalypse and the eternal guardian of humanity.

[md84]

My personal headcanon is that the axe permanently kills Celestials, which is why the Celestials are so angry this time. At least when Sue defeated Exitar, that "death" was little more than an inconvenience.

[obsidianwolf]

Personally I'd rather it was more the harvesting the seeds thing being the problem. Thor being able to magic up an axe that can permanently kill Celestials bugs me. These are beings in the same ball park as Galactus and the Asgardians are most assuredly not.