Batman (minus Batman)

[his_spiffynesss]

Artist Ty Templeton has been lobbying for Google to mark Bill Finger's 100th birthday and he's arguing his contributions to the creation of Batman definitrely make him noteworthy enough.

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[mrstatham]

It does always piss me off to see 'based on characters created for DC Comics by Bob Kane' tacked onto the front of films like Batman Returns, because just.. No. Nope. I'm not saying that Bob doesn't, of course, deserve credit for the character, but Finger and Robinson contributed so much that it's insulting - about as insulting as shoving Stan Lee in the Captain America movie. That's not his character.

[filthysize]

I assume he had a cameo in Captain America because he helped create Nick Fury and the Howling Commandos, not to mention being responsible for Cap waking up in modern day.

He already said that he won't cameo in Guardians of the Galaxy, because it's not his characters (despite co-creating Groot).

[an_idol_mind]

Stan did also contribute a few early Captain America stories, including the tale of how he got his iconic shield.

It is pretty annoying when he mentions Cap in the list of characters he created, though.

[pteppic]

A bit of a shame. I've enjoyed the Stan Lee cameos for the humour of the Stan Lee cameos irrespective of if he's the creator or not.

It also gives me an excuse to point at the screen and shout "STANNNNN LLEEEEEEE!!!!!".

[rslee]

Well, Stan did reintroduce the character into the Marvel Universe by making him an Avenger. If it weren't for Stan Lee, Steve Roger would've faded into obscurity long ago. Stan may not have created Captain America, but he's more than contributed enough to the character to warrant giving him a cute little cameo.

[espanolbot]

It is a touch bothersome that he gets creditted with the creation of characters he wasn't anywhere near though, like the Punisher or Dr Strange.

[rslee]

He actually did co-create Dr Strange. Him and Ditko. And, I don't really recall Stan associating himself with the Punisher character all that much. The only mention of Stan Lee on the Punisher's wiki page is that Stan claims to have suggested the name. I think that the only people who think that he created the Punisher are those who assume that he created every Marvel character.

[aravis]

Uhm. Captain America was reintroduced in the Avengers by Stan Lee and Jack Kirby. And Y'know, Kirby might have had some slight input on the comics he created with Stan Lee. Some. Kirby of course being one of the original creators of the characters.

If it weren't for Jack Kirby, Stan Lee would've faded into obscurity long ago.

[rslee]

Hey, I'm not taking any credit from Jack Kirby. Especially on a post about recognizing an artist's contributions to a character. I'm just saying that Stan Lee was much more important to the character's history than mrstatham was suggesting.

[espanolbot]

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[kevinroc]

http://comicsalliance.com/jim-steranko-twitter-slap-bob-kane/

Feels relevant to this thread. Jim Steranko told the story on twitter about the time he slapped Bob Kane.

As Ask Chris of Comics Alliance put it, while it helps, it doesn't really make up for all the crap that happened as a result of Kane's ********.

[silverzeo]

Funny how filler episodes for animes aren't given the same the same respect in most regards...

[wizardru]

I'm not sure what you're trying to say, there. Bill Finger and Jerry Robinson pretty much created a huge chunk of everything we associate as being part of Batman's mythology, as Ty Templeton is mentioning here. They just didn't realize Bob Kane was an asshole with good business and lawyer instincts (although Finger and Robinson were hardly unique in getting screwed by Kane...just ask Siegel and Shuster about that). Finger and Robinson were creating the core mythology for the Bat comics right there, with Kane taking the credit and lying about it.

Most anime filler episodes or seasons are just that: empty filler. They can't change the canon of the manga they're riffing on or introduce any changes that will have a meaningful effect on the show, for risk of screwing up stories when the REAL story resumes. Consider the Bount storylines on Bleach, for example. Long and drawn out featuring people acting out of character, major concepts introduced which didn't make a lot of sense in the greater context of the story...all of which were wiped out and erased by the end so that everything was right back where it started from with almost no changes to the core story (as it had to be). They're made to give breathing space to the original material while meeting the demands of a weekly show that is super popular.

The only way the two situations would be comparable is if Tite Kubo claimed that the Bleach anime show was done entirely by him and all of the ideas in it were his (and would immediately be reflected in the manga) when it really wasn't. And while Kubo (like most manga artists) has a staff to help him meet schedules, it's still his designs and writing. If Kubo farmed out the entire process to someone else and then claimed it was all his ideas and work, when he hadn't even read the comic bearing his name...then it might be comparable.

[silverzeo]

I understand that, but most filler episodes do have some degree to them, I mean: why is Cooler and Broly seem so popular when it comes to DBZ villains? And as LONG the Naruto filler arc didn't need to be, they do give the side characters some moments of awesome, like Hinata in that bug-arc.

[wizardru]

Not disputing that, certainly. I just meant that it doesn't really have any bearing on the Bill Finger/Jerry Robinson issue with Batman. They're Apples and Oranges situations, so it seemed very non-sequitor to me.