Date: 2014-02-13 05:51 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] darkknightjrk
So Legion is now in Blindfold's head? That's...certainly a way to end one's run on a book.

Date: 2014-02-13 06:45 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] protogarrett
Doesn't his non-existence mean Age of Apocalypse and Age of X never happened, which means a massive ripple through time, meaning…

ah nevermind. Marvel time and space doesn't have rules.

Date: 2014-02-13 03:00 pm (UTC)
cainofdreaming: cain's mark (pic#364829)
From: [personal profile] cainofdreaming
AoA was prevented from ever existing once already, but just kept on trucking. Can't keep a good post-apocalyptic future down.

Date: 2014-02-13 05:05 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] simiansyndicate
I thought that Marvel had some rule that you actually couldn't change the future, but it splintered off into its own universe. That's why even though you change the timeline for the 616, the time traveler/interloper gets to return to their own shitty future, so that the space/time continuum doesn't have to deal with irreparable damage.

Basically, in the Marvel Universe, you can apply neosporin to the wound, but it'll still leave a scar.

Date: 2014-02-13 06:19 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] silverhammerman
They changed it in the aftermath of Age of Ultron though, when time "broke" in spite of all canon that contradicted such a thing being possible.

After that a big source of drama in All-New X-Men was that the timeline would be fucked if they didn't get the original team back to their own time, there was even a scene where Teen!Cyclops nearly died and Adult!Cyclops started phasing out of existence until Teen!Cyclops got healed.The idea seems to have been dropped though given that the kids are still in the present.

Personally I don't really like the new approach, because I hate time travel stories that lean heavily on the idea of paradoxes and such. Plus I'd grown kind of fond of the slightly nihilistic divergent timelines gimmick.

Date: 2014-02-13 08:17 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] obsidianwolf
They could easily retcon that event in All new X-men into being when Time caught up that the original X-men where out of sync. The Mr. Fantastic excplanation for when a new time line was actually created would work perfectly there. You could fudge it with the Originals being out of sync for a few weeks or even months but the moment Original Scott died and it nearly changed time reality caught up.

Which would actually explain why they couldn't go back home as suddenly they were from an alternate past and trying to go back to the past they came from would no longer work.

Of course at the end of the day time travel rules change every time there is a time travel story and sooner or later tend to get reset to the all alternate realities version of things cause it lets Marvel revisit popular and not so popular events whenever they want too.

Date: 2014-02-13 06:27 pm (UTC)
cainofdreaming: cain's mark (pic#364829)
From: [personal profile] cainofdreaming
Back before they went all bonkers with the time travel the events that lead to Age of Apocalypse were specifically said to circumvent that. For some reason. They didn't really know why (the characters, maybe the writers also).

Date: 2014-02-15 05:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
They stated why, actually.

In Gambit's series, they learned that because of Legion screwing with the past, he also messed it up so that Jean Grey never went into the Mkaarn Crystal, and never healed it. Since it existed outside of regular time itself, it was causing a domino effect that was changing everything.

Date: 2014-02-15 09:22 pm (UTC)
cainofdreaming: cain's mark (pic#364829)
From: [personal profile] cainofdreaming
So, messing with Jean's past is the loophole in the (old, maybe) rules of time travel? Makes you wonder about those What Ifs that would also have changed those events, though. Why they are alternates, rather than having changed the primary timeline for 616.

Date: 2014-02-17 01:14 am (UTC)
obsidianwolf: 3 of 3 Icons I never change (Default)
From: [personal profile] obsidianwolf
At the end of the day the only real rule for Marvel time travel/alternate realities is it will work one way while it's being written for drama and a writers plans and then later it'll default to the old everything happens in alternate realities method so they can revisit it at any time they feel the need too.

Date: 2014-02-13 09:01 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] akodo_rokku
I really rather liked this book. It was really interesting to see Legion headlining.

Date: 2014-02-13 06:11 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] beyondthefringe
The only true way to remove a character as alternately awesome and universe-breaking as Legion: a retcon that will last as long as it needs to and no longer. :)

Date: 2014-02-13 10:13 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] captainbellman
Funnily enough, it's not unlike Spurrier's ending to "Six-Gun Gorilla" - the idea being that a finite story has more meaning than an ongoing one (countering the logic of a company whose revenue comes from stories that literally never end, so it's less obvious here) and amalgamating the protagonist with his dearest companion in order to lend hope to the future.

Date: 2014-02-14 01:30 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] starwolf_oakley
Is this in-story retconning or Legion changing everyone's memories?

Date: 2014-02-14 03:55 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] shadowpsykie
well, he can't NOT have existed as he... well.. yes... no... thank you... still in fact exists. yes.

Date: 2014-02-14 05:24 pm (UTC)
cainofdreaming: cain's mark (pic#364829)
From: [personal profile] cainofdreaming
But if he exists then his fate remains unchanged, so the whole thing would be for nothing.

Date: 2014-02-14 06:08 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] shadowpsykie
but then, what IS existence? do you exist? do I exist, or are we all just the stuff of dreams inside the mind of a sleepin-
Edited Date: 2014-02-14 06:08 pm (UTC)

Date: 2014-02-14 06:41 pm (UTC)
cainofdreaming: cain's mark (pic#364829)
From: [personal profile] cainofdreaming
Oh, like any dreaming god could have kept on snoring after the invention of vuvuzela. If he ain't up and about already I think we can declare coma.


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