Superior Spider-Man #30

[cyberghostface]

In the midst of Goblin Nation, Ghost Peter makes his presence known to Otto.



Otto returns to the mindwipe machine, only this time he begins to purge himself of all his memories. His final one...

Comments

[sindra]

Eh.....

Back to the status quo.



Woo.

[cyberghostface]

It was inevitable but... yeah. :( Although it appears that Peter will still be dealing from the ramifications later on (Black Cat wants revenge, the Avengers are going to arrest him, etc).

I do hope when Ock returns he's impacted by this but he'll probably get a reset.

[darkknightjrk]

What I'm hoping is that what Slott will end up doing is that he'll at least can it with Peter's whole "it's all my fault!" massive guilt complex. I mean, Ock himself spells it out--that Peter is the superior hero, but he has a tendency to sabotage himself.

And who knows? Maybe Peter will keep some of Ock's designs and stuff--just because the whole kingdom fell around him doesn't mean there weren't a few good ideas there.

Plus--because of what Ock has done, Peter will now be in charge of a start-up electronics/creation business, that's definitely a change to the status quo.

[goggle_kid]

I was hoping that somehow Otto's ghost sticks around in Peter's head and becomes a supporting character.

[damar148]

So after all this nonsense for so long...Otto just gives up like that?

[cyberghostface]

Well not just like that, he thinks Peter is the only one who can save Anna Maria.

[silverhammerman]

Knew this way coming, still annoyed. I think it's bullshit that Ock gets to basically just check out at the climax of the story, all noble-like, without Peter getting some retribution, or even calling him out. I mean, Ock murdered Peter, stole his life, fucked with his relationships, violated him on every conceivable level, and then he just gets to bow out without so much as a "fuck you, dude".

This is the kind of story where avoiding the emotional fallout and consequences defangs the whole thing.

[protogarrett]

THIS.

Ahh, comic books, where people get off scott-free.

[protogarrett]

"The first thing I should do is ditch the significantly upgraded suit like I always do when it gets tech upgrades that would make me a significantly more effective hero."

[book_of_daniel]

That's what I was thinking.

[crinos]

Well its about fucking time.

[cainofdreaming]

So, is this the real Peter or just a copy of his memories and personality, a mental clone if you prefer? Or was the Peter who died in Otto's body the clone?

[cyberghostface]

IDK, Otto seemed to be under the impression that he was just a 'copy' of Peter's memories but I guess it'll be clarified soon.

[kuratowa]

The easiest way for him to tell people that wasn't me is to ditch that suit. How many people dress up as spiderman in the Marvel Universe (answer: a lot).

Still, I think he and Cyclops should get a buddy comic where everybody picks on them for being eeeeevil.

[icon_uk]

Time to break out the telepaths THIS time, I suspect.

[big_daddy_d]

I admit, that was pretty good. Almost got emotional myself, but the flaw is one others brought up. Otto shouldn't get away with what he did either. Can we not get a proper redemption? Make him answer for what he did, continue the development we've seen here, and maybe allow room for a second chance. Also why does Peter have to deal with the shit Otto did? And don't give me that "Parker luck" bullshit because that works only so far.

[cypherfdp]

And no one will think for a second that Peter is telling the truth that Ock replaced him.

[thatnickguy]

Honestly, after 30 issues, this return and Otto's dismissal feels very anti-climactic.

[halloweenjack]

It is. It's what you get when you extend a plot gimmick way, way beyond its sell-by date.

[thanekos]

Well, that's neatly done.

(Now to wait for Dazzler to get out of Mystique's basement..)

[q99]

Hey, remember when SpOck 'removed' Ghost Peter? It'd be interesting if this was a temporary measure too.

[starwolf_oakley]

Peter Parker can self-sabotage, PAD had MJ say it was a death wish over Uncle Ben that most fans dismissed. Peter does not want to commit suicide by super villain.

Still, Peter having a complex over getting too successful makes sense. He wanted to make money and Uncle Ben died. Therefore, money is bad.

[jaybee3]

So wait - don't tell me we are never going to get the reveal to the rest of the Avengers/heroes/Peter's closest friends that Octavius has been in Peter's body this whole time and Peter will be left basically picking up the pieces (like breaking up with Anna Maria I assume and ending Parker Ind.) without anyone being the wiser and everyone thinking Peter just went through some uber-jerk phase? Don't tell me that's going to happen. At least put some closure to this story. Give us a Carol Danvers telling off the Avengers moment.

[scelestus]

Of course that's what's going to happen- this way they can go right back into the "down on his luck Parker" routine that seems to be the status quo for the character. Nobody will believe Peter when he tries to tell them what really happened, so he'll be isolated and miserable, as seems to be the norm.

Ugh! I hate this! I thought Peter was his most interesting when he was married and teaching science (at the beginning of JMS' run, before it went off the rails). I dropped the book when they destroyed his marriage, and picked it up again when Superior started. I'll give this a couple issues, but I'm betting dollars to donuts we go back to the poor ol' Peter angle again.

[kuronotenshi]

I'm torn.

I want to hate this. Every fiber in my being is calling out that it's Slott taking the easy route.

It's hackneyed, it could have been handled with more gravitas. It could have been done so much better.

But in the end, I actually like how this is written, and whether he planned it or not (Still betting he didn't) ...it's at least an interesting conclusion to the plot.

I still don't list Slott in my favorite writers by any means....despite my love of his run on She-Hulk.

But I do give this some more credit. And No. I won't buy the Trade. Maybe the final trade where peter comes back, but none of the Otto stuff before hand.

[cyberghostface]

There were some detours along the way but Slott had the storyline planned out since #600.

[wizardru]

I've only followed this whole thing from Scans_Daily. I stopped picking up Spiderman when BND happened and have never really returned. I understand I've missed some good comics, but I just haven't had the heart since then.

I actually didn't have a problem with the whole SpOck idea, given that we all knew it was a temporary thing and that the status quo was set to return. I thought it was a fun idea that they were exploring, even if the execution occasionally fell into 'oh, COME ON' territory more than once.

But honestly, those last two pages there? Pretty BAD ASS, IMHO.

[crimsonmoonmist]

Y'know, I really wanted to see Peter beat the snot out of Otto for what he did, but I actually kinda like this.
Considering the title of the series, having Otto realize that Peter is superior to him and the only one who can save the day in the end kind of really hits the right spot for me. Now, if Peter just won't have to take the blame for Otto's jerkassery, but we know that won't happen because Peter need to be miserable.

[silverzeo]

And if knowing the Peter Parker charm/luck well enough... Petey going to be as hated and untrusted as you can get before due to all of these from everyone.... course NO ONE really bothered or catch on what was going on so far, but then would just realize it just now...

[sir_razorback]

I really wish I could care, but these books are so totally screwed up that all I can do is grab more popcorn and watch the world continue to burn. Spidey used to be my favorite, too.

[lbd_nytetrayn]

Same here.

[nyadnar17]

I was really hoping for a team up of the two against Osborn, not simply Oct killing himself.

[silverhammerman]

Y'know, even beyond my initial disappointment with how this played out, I've gotta say, this really doesn't fit with the way it was built up in the story.

Slott had Peter come back talking about a crucible and how he'd been reduced to the moments that defined him, deliberately and explicitly evoking stuff like the Final Chapter and throwing off the symbiote, moments where Spidey really had to dig deep in order to overcome impossible odds. To have the change actually play out as Ock casually returning control doesn't fit with that.

I dunno if Slott was actually attempting to subvert our expectations, but either way it's just not very satisfying, especially with the degree of buildup the this moment had.

[yvonmukluk]

Well he's still got a city full of Goblins to defeat, he's not out of the woods yet.

[lonewolf23k]

Well, considering the framework of this story, if they ever want to bring Otto back, I can think of one way to do it.
1 - Reveal that the mindwipe machine has a "data buffer" that can be tapped to recover Otto's memories.
2 - Have the buffer recovered by Stunner or Lady Octopus.
3 - Get The Jackal to create a clone body for Otto, and upload the memories into it.

Bonus points for the memories being incomplete, thus erasing the knowledge of Peter's secret identity from Otto's mind.