The reveal that the Guardians knew and chose to do sweet FA about Krypton going boom is a bit of a stretch, but such is life.
Hal's impassioned plea is one of the better expressed in support of Superman's new approach (Hal never struck me as a particularly impassioned guy, more Kirk than Picard, so to speak, but it works here)
Not sure what the Corp were just hit with, I'm guessing some sort of teleporter, since all those power rings should automatically defend against an energy beam.
Hal does raise a good point on a lot of the specific criticisms. The negotiations failed for a specific reason. Making superbeings is what the guardians *do*.
Creators have done a lot over the years to make Guy less of a belligerent tool. The Nu52 Guy Gardner is now a former cop who was never comatose/brain damaged.
yet how likely is it that current Superman will empower someone who will stand up to Superman and say "you're doing the wrong thing," which is the exact thing the Guardian empowered Hal Jordan is willing and allowed to do(to an extent)
Nope. Hal just tries his best to leave Oa and all the green lanterns are commanded by the Guardians of the Universe to stop him any way possible. Because he will compromise there surprise attack if Hal get to warn Superman.
Superman does empower people in the exact way that the Guardians do. Its a plot point that the Batman rebellion uses. You can always YELL at Superman, the same way the Lanterns argue at the Guardians. They almost never listen in the exact same way.
Year Two was my favorite Injustice storyline partly for this. The Guardians are accusing Superman of doing the same thing they are. A powerful alien preventing other lesser powered aliens from hurting each other. Then they don't listen to most of the locals, they make a fiat decision to invade. Its the freaking Vietnam War of the Green Lantern Corps. Ganthet and Mogo were their nukes. The problem was the Guardians never never never respected the Earth heroes. A less highhanded approach would have uncovered Sinestro's murder of Kyle Rayner and ended the Sinestro Corps alliance with Superman.
I'm not sure the green lantern rings are that impressive in the Injustice Verse. Hal got his ring taken easily by Superman back when he was on his way to kill the Joker and Kyle's ring was easily removed by Sinestro when he showed up for his sacrificial appearance.
I doubt the Lanterns were all killed by the big ray gun (it is pretty clearly a death ray there's an impact crater in the pages not here.) I just bet some of them are either dead or hurt to ratchet up the conflict.
Everything in Injustice is Idiot Plot served by people carrying Idiot Balls. There's a Lantern who can alter the synapses in Superman's brain. How come all the Lanterns don't? But no, its treated like just one Lantern knows how.
Seriously, there's a Lantern who's a sentient virus. Guardians should've sent him in to assassinate Supes and be done with it.
it;s weird.... i was torn. on one level, yes, Hal makes some very good points, and his speech did have shades of his Coast City reasons for becoming Parallax....
but at the same time he seems WOEFULLY ignorant or blind at what superman is doing...
i mean, saying he has toppled dictators, while essentially DESCRIBING superman AS a dictor (complete with police force) in the same sentence is baffling.... yet it fits Hal's nature....
Kyle shows up in Year 2 issue 2 (IIRC) and basically exist to stand there and be killed by Sinestro. His ring's disappearance is the reason Gaunthet gets interested in Earth and kicks off the Guardians investigating.
It appears Kyle was off world for a year fighting some kind of war which based on the scenes were John was called back to Oa is against some kind of Zombie army (that don't seem to be black lanterns which is actually IMO more interesting than most of what's going on over on Injustice Earth.)
Mine as well. His death wouldn't bother me it's injustice and everyone not in the game is fairly likely to be killed off in gruesome fashion I'm just annoyed that it continues one of this title's big problems Folks just seem to stand there when they are going to die or they see someone die.
Everyone is stupid and out of character in Injustice, but Hal in Year Two has overdosed on the stupid pills. You'd hate him by the end even if you normally liked the character.
On the other hand, I loved some of the character moments and really deep cuts to GL continuity. Hal defending Superman in a Guardian trial? Totally a sequel to Eliot S! Maggin's ancient story "Must There Be A Superman?" where the Guardians (sans Hal) put Superman on trial.
Canon is that Tomar Re was assigned to save Krypton. He failed. (He actually came up with a scheme that would work, in retrospect. It was all very tragic.) The Guardians aren't big on admitting failure. Which Sinestro would count on. Their annoying arrogance and refusal to admit when they have been less than perfect.
As much as I hate what Taylor did to Hal (none of it works unless Hal is supremely gullible), I loved the trial scene. It appears to be a sequel to Eliot S! Maggin's "Must There Be A Superman?" story, when the Guardians put Superman on trial for interfering with humanity. Hal doesn't show up and it feels like this is what he would have done. Sadly, the Superman he defends and the League is blindly loyal to no longer exists at this point.
I kind of like this series (or at least what I've read on SD). I think Tom Taylor is doing a good job of making a video game story credible and interesting. I don't like Evil Superman as a trope, but it works for me here. Mostly because Hal Jordan's defense of him is so well-written
As for accusations that everyone's "out of character": it's an alternate reality, c'mon. Even if they're different at least they're consistent
There are plenty of video games with much better stories than the one this comic is based on (which, as a fighting game, doesn't exactly need nor is expected to have much of one). That said, Tom Taylor is doing pretty good with what he has, here. It's playing out surprisingly better than I would have expected, perhaps because he's got all the toys in the box and has time to do things more logically.
I think the accusation that people are acting out of character stems from the fact that much of the continuity here is taken straight from pre-52 status quo as the kick-off point. We don't really see indications (that I've seen from scans, in any case) that there were any radical diversions from that starting point, other than costumes matching the game. Whether that's fair or not is another argument, of course.
Wonder Woman manipulates Superman to avoid diplomatic solutions because she wants him to take over the Earth (for peace!).
Hal knows damn well that this is EXACTLY why Sinestro was exiled from the Corps. He was a witness at the trial. He wouldn't follow in Sinestro's exact footsteps. He also knows Sinestro is sneaky. Sinestro manipulating Hal's perception to isolate him? That started Day One. Sinestro is fully in character here. Hal isn't.
John Stewart shouldn't have been so gullible to Sinestro.
Guy Gardner declares he won't fight Hal, when Hal gets armed with a fear ring (they all know it affects your mind) and Sinestro is yelling in his ear, "He killed Stewart! Kill him now!"
The Batclan lets Harley Quin work with them. Harley helped kill Lois and turn Superman evil but everyone ignores that.
Batman makes a deal to bring actual gods to Earth to fight the all powerful alien. Gods who demand worship and murder people.
Hal completely excuses Superman murdering Green Arrow and Black Canary. The story even highlights their friendship.
Flash keeps informing Superman how totally immoral what they're doing is. But he absolutely nothing about it and remains utterly loyal to Superman.
..The only thing that permitted me to enjoy the occasional good character moments was to believe in Grant Morrison's theory of universes occasionally migrating from 'bright zones'--where good triumphs--to 'dark zones', where evil ends up seeming the only option and all decisions go bad. Also, Ares cursed Superman and Wonder Woman and their friends when Wonder Woman 'killed' him. God curses are notoriously nasty.
As I've mentioned earlier, there is a strong EMERALD TWILIGHT vibe to all this. The Guardians being bigger tools than usual and a bunch of GLs getting killed adds to the comparison.
If Superman is acting as dictator of the world, and he just ordered a bunch of GL's summarily murdered - doesn't that kind of put the earth at war with, like, thirty different planets, now? As WELL as the Guardians of the Galaxy?
The unspoken irony is that the Guardians were all-powerful aliens acting by a Might Makes Right authority, just as Superman is. But if you can kick a Guardians ass, who's going to challenge you?
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Date: 2014-05-14 06:04 am (UTC)Hal's impassioned plea is one of the better expressed in support of Superman's new approach (Hal never struck me as a particularly impassioned guy, more Kirk than Picard, so to speak, but it works here)
Not sure what the Corp were just hit with, I'm guessing some sort of teleporter, since all those power rings should automatically defend against an energy beam.
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Date: 2014-05-14 06:35 am (UTC)And it was fun to see Guy as peacemaker ^^
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Date: 2014-05-15 02:33 am (UTC)Unless he did something more offensive in the intervening pages, seems an overreaction.
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Date: 2014-05-15 02:42 am (UTC)I have too many opinions on this story
Date: 2017-01-14 08:00 pm (UTC)Year Two was my favorite Injustice storyline partly for this. The Guardians are accusing Superman of doing the same thing they are. A powerful alien preventing other lesser powered aliens from hurting each other. Then they don't listen to most of the locals, they make a fiat decision to invade. Its the freaking Vietnam War of the Green Lantern Corps. Ganthet and Mogo were their nukes. The problem was the Guardians never never never respected the Earth heroes. A less highhanded approach would have uncovered Sinestro's murder of Kyle Rayner and ended the Sinestro Corps alliance with Superman.
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Date: 2014-05-14 08:32 am (UTC)I doubt the Lanterns were all killed by the big ray gun (it is pretty clearly a death ray there's an impact crater in the pages not here.) I just bet some of them are either dead or hurt to ratchet up the conflict.
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Date: 2017-01-14 08:05 pm (UTC)Seriously, there's a Lantern who's a sentient virus. Guardians should've sent him in to assassinate Supes and be done with it.
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Date: 2014-05-14 04:46 pm (UTC)but at the same time he seems WOEFULLY ignorant or blind at what superman is doing...
i mean, saying he has toppled dictators, while essentially DESCRIBING superman AS a dictor (complete with police force) in the same sentence is baffling.... yet it fits Hal's nature....
side note, is Kyle in this story?
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Date: 2014-05-14 05:52 pm (UTC)It appears Kyle was off world for a year fighting some kind of war which based on the scenes were John was called back to Oa is against some kind of Zombie army (that don't seem to be black lanterns which is actually IMO more interesting than most of what's going on over on Injustice Earth.)
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Date: 2017-01-14 08:08 pm (UTC)On the other hand, I loved some of the character moments and really deep cuts to GL continuity. Hal defending Superman in a Guardian trial? Totally a sequel to Eliot S! Maggin's ancient story "Must There Be A Superman?" where the Guardians (sans Hal) put Superman on trial.
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Date: 2017-01-14 08:40 pm (UTC)As much as I hate what Taylor did to Hal (none of it works unless Hal is supremely gullible), I loved the trial scene. It appears to be a sequel to Eliot S! Maggin's "Must There Be A Superman?" story, when the Guardians put Superman on trial for interfering with humanity. Hal doesn't show up and it feels like this is what he would have done. Sadly, the Superman he defends and the League is blindly loyal to no longer exists at this point.
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Date: 2014-05-14 11:10 am (UTC)As for accusations that everyone's "out of character": it's an alternate reality, c'mon. Even if they're different at least they're consistent
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Date: 2014-05-14 12:23 pm (UTC)I think the accusation that people are acting out of character stems from the fact that much of the continuity here is taken straight from pre-52 status quo as the kick-off point. We don't really see indications (that I've seen from scans, in any case) that there were any radical diversions from that starting point, other than costumes matching the game. Whether that's fair or not is another argument, of course.
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Date: 2017-01-14 08:24 pm (UTC)Wonder Woman manipulates Superman to avoid diplomatic solutions because she wants him to take over the Earth (for peace!).
Hal knows damn well that this is EXACTLY why Sinestro was exiled from the Corps. He was a witness at the trial. He wouldn't follow in Sinestro's exact footsteps. He also knows Sinestro is sneaky. Sinestro manipulating Hal's perception to isolate him? That started Day One. Sinestro is fully in character here. Hal isn't.
John Stewart shouldn't have been so gullible to Sinestro.
Guy Gardner declares he won't fight Hal, when Hal gets armed with a fear ring (they all know it affects your mind) and Sinestro is yelling in his ear, "He killed Stewart! Kill him now!"
The Batclan lets Harley Quin work with them. Harley helped kill Lois and turn Superman evil but everyone ignores that.
Batman makes a deal to bring actual gods to Earth to fight the all powerful alien. Gods who demand worship and murder people.
Hal completely excuses Superman murdering Green Arrow and Black Canary. The story even highlights their friendship.
Flash keeps informing Superman how totally immoral what they're doing is. But he absolutely nothing about it and remains utterly loyal to Superman.
..The only thing that permitted me to enjoy the occasional good character moments was to believe in Grant Morrison's theory of universes occasionally migrating from 'bright zones'--where good triumphs--to 'dark zones', where evil ends up seeming the only option and all decisions go bad. Also, Ares cursed Superman and Wonder Woman and their friends when Wonder Woman 'killed' him. God curses are notoriously nasty.
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Date: 2014-05-14 04:01 pm (UTC)Also, did John hack into Kilowog and his platoon's rings or something? Bodyfit force fields, and all that.
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Date: 2014-05-14 10:56 pm (UTC)I really hope it turns out they survived the death ray, because of some personal protective forcefields of their rings.
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