Something (albeit a little late) for Pride Weekend and (even later) for Fanart Thursday

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Apologies, I feel we should have done something to celebrate this, but then again, EVERY Day, Week and Month is Pride Day, Week and Month on Scans Daily.... :)

But even so, I did find this over on Tumblr by one Jenny Salume, which seemed quite apt, despite it's name being























As the creator says: "No homo" is one of the dumbest things I have ever heard come out of the mouth of a human. This is my second favorite way to reply - the first, bloody retribution.

Words to live by folks, words to live by!

Happy Gay Pride Day!

Comments

[donnblake]

I think 'no homo' is pretty obviously rooted in homophobia. That being said, not all the things it expresses are inherently bad. There are times when it's valid to clarify "I mean this expression of affection in a platonic way." In these cases, I'd suggest "No Eros," which has the added bonus that its also usable with friends of a different gender.

[ensiform]

I like that idea!

[lieut_kettch]

I know people that append "in a totally non-sexual way" after "I love you" when addressing either gender.

[shadowpsykie]

i have friends who call each other heterosexual life partners.

i supppose there is also Busom Buddies... but, eh, as much as afan of alliteration as am I seems too antiquated.

[kd_the_movie]

Lol No homo was actually popularized by one of my favorite rappers, Camron.....In any other instance i'd be happy that hip hop slang from Harlem had gotten so popular worldwide

[megaspork]

Ok, I've never used this term myself, but I honestly can say I think calling it dumbest thing said is being ignorant of the context. The person is expressing that they are not hitting on the person. They aren't ignoring that homosexual people exist, they are just expressing that their intent is not of that nature.
Coming from a high school experience of abuse by being treated like every action of mine was that intent, causing isolation to the point I was left a very confused person for a long time... I don't know. I don't know a better solution because I tried so many. Having part of that time happen around when In and Out came out didn't help either. But I can honestly see why it became a thing.
There's probably a better way of saying it but it caught on because it's simple and it's one vowel through the whole thing.

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I'm genuinely sorry you went through such a traumatic time in high school (and I have very mixed feelings about "In and Out" myself)

I see no need to express a "not hitting on you" moment with something which can be so loaded with homophobia, no matter how catchy it is.

The "No Homo" expression, on the very few occasions I've heard it used (It's not something my generation has ever used in the UK, at least not that I've ever been aware of), has been a rather vehement statement of "There is no way I could possibly be a homosexual." as if there were something inherently shameful in being one.

Again, maybe it's me, but I can't think of any of my straight friends (or those I assume to be straight since it's none of my dman business) who'd feel the need to reassert their heterosexuality over a casual comment. Perhaps it's a "younger person" thing.

[megaspork]

I really think it is a younger kind of thing, yeah. It probably wouldn't have spread as fast as it has without social media too I think. If you're not posting it someone else is and everyone else is getting more and more into other people's business then ever before.
And you're right, it does have some bits of that tone which I can understand that kind of frustration over someone saying it. It's just a really tricky situation to deal with because so few people go through it I think. Like... I keep wanting to say Misfire but it's still got that kind of wrong vibe... This how hard a difficult a situation to talk about, I can't even think of an apt comparison.

[shadowpsykie]

i am not exactly young (let's just say i just started my "flirty" years). but when i have heard it used, it usually is used when two people like who are really close friends use it. on one level it feels like it is to assure the other that they have very strong platonic feelings for the other but that they are not sexual. i mean, it feels needless to say on the outside looking in, but i guess for them its for the sayers intent to elay any misunderstanding (again, strange as being so close they would probably already know that) it is most definately rooted in the culture of homophia... but each time i have heard it used it was never with homophobic intent or even homophobic undertones. it never made me feel uncomfortable (had they said it ti ME then i would have been like... dude, I KNOW.)


that said... when i have heard it used in the media i have rolled my eyes back so far i felt like linda blair...

[kurenai_tenka]

This is beautiful.

And since there are more than one of these types of comments already, I'll just say my piece here: if people weren't so sensitive about the prospect of being perceived as being 'gay', they wouldn't feel the need to clarify that a completely innocuous comment is 100% not sexual/romantic. Causally
saying you love your friends shouldn't require qualifiers about your sexuality.

[donnblake]

I absolutely find myself qualifying that completely innocuous comments are 100% percent not sexual/romantic with individuals of the opposite gender. So, no, in my case it doesn't have anything to do with being afraid of being perceived as gay.

[kurenai_tenka]

But we're not talking about members of the opposite gender; do you so 'no hetro'? Even in your own comment above you said 'no homo' is rooted in homophobia.

[donnblake]

No, I usually say "In a completely platonic sense," regardless of what gender I'm addressing (because I'm less clever in person than in text). I think that No Homo is a bad way to express that, rooted in a tradition of hurtful language (and that it's used for other purposes- to express ridicule at the idea of homosexuality). But what you said was "if people weren't so sensitive about the prospect of being perceived as being 'gay', they wouldn't feel the need to clarify that a completely innocuous comment is 100% not sexual/romantic."

Which seemed different than my point of, "This is a bad way to express something that sometimes needs expressing. Here's an alternative. Aren't I clever, give me cookies."

[kurenai_tenka]

I think we're in agreement, just not expressing it properly.

For clarity, I could re-edit that sentence to say:

'if people weren't so sensitive about the prospect of being perceived as being 'gay', they wouldn't feel the need to clarify that a completely innocuous comment towards a member of the same sexis 100% not sexual/romantic with the phrase 'no homo''

I assumed the context of what I was referring to was clear based on the nature of the OP!

I think there's a big difference between making it clear that you don't mean something sexually/romantically because you don't want there to be confusion about your feelings/intentions, and making it clear because you don't want to associate yourself with any semblance of homosexuality, and/or for people to 'suspect' such.

So I have no objection to your addition of a 'but I mean it platonically' (which I used to hear used all the time when I was younger); I have an objection to the 'BUT I'M NOT GAY LOL THAT WOULD BE TERRIBLE'. Basically what you said in the last part of your reply except I'd prefer ice-cream to cookies. :)

[shadowpsykie]

heh i actually DO say no hetero lol but it's only as a reaction to the No Homo thing, me and my girl friends get a kick out of that.

Me: OMG Sara, i love you SO MUCH sweety! No hetero though!

[kurenai_tenka]

Ngl, I would totally do that for that exact reason. xD

[shadowpsykie]

it's honestly HILARIOUS. i mean Obviously it's not hetero. but it's so fun to do it lol we get weird looks from friends but that makes it better lol (then it caught on LOL)

[thezmage]

In one of the Yugioh Abridged movies (the one with the stars of the first three series in it), Yugi and Yusei keep saying flirty things to each other, following it up with "no homo" after increasingly longer lengths of time. The last time, Yusei asks "no homo, right?" To which Yugi yells out "All of the homo!" I always found that hilarious.

http://youtu.be/fwN0gcfrSxs

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With Saint Seiya I think most of the viewers just assumed the subtext was text and that saved a lot of time if nothing else ("I'll share my body heat with Hyoga using some casual spooning and flaring my cosmo"... sure Shun sweetie, sure... you call it whatever you like.

[starwolf_oakley]

"Pause" from The Boondocks and "Phrasing" from Archer are both better.

Of course, in those cases, they are said in a response to something that can be... misconstrued.

[cainofdreaming]

If the term was used here (different language and all that) I'd be tempted to reply with something about the sayer's genus. But I doubt they'd get it.

[ensiform]

No homo erectus.... IF YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN

amirite who's got me up top

[icon_uk]

Jean-Paul has something to say on that topic.



As do Billy and Teddy

[shadowpsykie]

i blushed.....

[cainofdreaming]

I smiled. That was a nice contrast to the fact that our grand committee of the parliament turned down the equal marriage address last week. It'll still go to vote in the actual parliament, but... well, I hoped that there'd be less bastiches in the government.

Yeah, fat chance. I know.

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You should be reassured that after all this time on scans-daily, you still CAN blush! :)

[arilou_skiff]

... Less about the term itself, more about the comic, but that is some glorious crack.