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The Name's Grayson. Dick Grayson.



One-Line Summary:
Spyral Agents Grayson and Bertinelli take a living bio-weapon into custody, right under the chin-spiked face of rival agent, Midnighter.

The Story:

Blond Grayson infiltrates a train, knocking out an enemy agent with sleeping wine and taking off with Ninel, a metahuman.

They're intercepted by Midnighter, who scuttlebutt says'll be a recurring rival:



"You fight like jazz." There's your new codename, Dick: Jazzpants.

We also get a glimpse into Dick's new tool (heh, tool): A Hypnos Implant.



I wonder if it sounds like Cartman's psychic powers. 'Nyeh-neh-neh-neh-neh..."

Anyway, a hypnotized Ninel activates his powers to help Dick, putting him into overload mode.

Dick decides the best way to get all that energy out is to have Ninel take it out on him, so:





Anyway, the issue ends with Grayson and Bertinelli's handler, Mister Minos, poring over a large screenful of heroes whom Spyral have ID'd, three of which are Babs Gordon, Tim Drake and Bruce Wayne.

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I wish Spyral'd go with the 'Gotta-Catch-Em-All' route with the superhero ID's not the, 'I'll use this information to be evil, hor hor hor hor!" route.

Anyway, the writing was decent, I'm still a bit torn (Higgins' Nightwing started with potential, too), but here's where I'm not - Mikel Janin's totally nailing it on the art, especially Dick's acrobat/fight moves!

Hope he stays for the long run.

Food For Thought: I guess we know who Blondie is on that Batsgiving Poster, don't we? If so, there's only one person left on that thing who's un-ID'd.

Date: 2014-07-18 08:43 am (UTC)
bizarrohulk: (Default)
From: [personal profile] bizarrohulk
Wait, is Midnighter back to his original costume (or at a least a reasonable facsimile thereof)? No more ridiculous shoulder spikes?

Really, though, unless Midnighter is holding back, or he's been hugely nerfed since his transfer to the DCU, this fight should have been over in two panels (and the first one would be Midnighter explaining how his powers work).

Date: 2014-07-18 09:31 am (UTC)
obsidianwolf: 3 of 3 Icons I never change (Default)
From: [personal profile] obsidianwolf
Think Batman with enhanced strength speed reflexes and a healing factor. He can also predict an opponents actions.

Even if he's physically weaker in the nu52 his predicting abilities have been shown to be even better than they used to be.

Dick winning the fight is kind of a big stretch.

Date: 2014-07-18 09:57 am (UTC)
obsidianwolf: 3 of 3 Icons I never change (Default)
From: [personal profile] obsidianwolf
It shouldn't have lasted long enough for the other guy to wake up.

I'm also curious why the spyral implant worked on Midnighter since he's proven resistant to mind manipulation even from folks as powerful as the Martian Manhunter.

Date: 2014-07-18 11:21 am (UTC)
obsidianwolf: 3 of 3 Icons I never change (Default)
From: [personal profile] obsidianwolf
He actually states in the issue that he'll forget Dick's face as soon as he's gone because of the implant. He can shrug off the mind control but not retain Dick's face that seems a bit weird to me.

Date: 2014-07-18 11:52 am (UTC)
obsidianwolf: 3 of 3 Icons I never change (Default)
From: [personal profile] obsidianwolf
We were told the implant is why folks can never remember a spyral agent's face. The head guy has a version that keeps his face secret even from his own agents.

Date: 2014-07-18 02:52 pm (UTC)
icon_uk: (Default)
From: [personal profile] icon_uk
It might not be affecting his mind directly, just sort of messing with his ability to commit that particular set of features to his memory, so it's interfered with before it gets as far as his brain..

Of course, whether it renders other body parts as unmemorable such as say, the world's most awesome derriere, remains to be seen, but it'd be a fun issue!

Date: 2014-07-19 06:03 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] silicondream
Wildstorm Midnighter was around Iron Fist-level, I'd say. Did things like decapitating a Beast expy with one swing of his staff, redirecting a shot from a tank's main gun into another tank with a kick, etc. Cassandra Cain might be able to survive against him for more than a minute, but yeah, he'd smear anyone else in the Batclan. I don't think the DCU has any unpowered fighters other than Karate Kid who could actually beat him.

Date: 2014-07-19 03:05 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] filthysize
When Starlin took over Stormwatch, he rebooted the title by having the team up until then erased from the timeline. So he rebuilt the team with new members and an alternate universe versions of Apollo and Midnighter, which were basically the original costumed, married pre-New52 versions.

But when Stormwatch was cancelled a few months ago, the last issue had the entire team erased again and the original New 52 team restored. So this spikeless Midnighter is still unexplained.

Date: 2014-07-18 09:30 am (UTC)
q99: (Default)
From: [personal profile] q99
It still has a chin-covering and such, but yes, no spikes.

And yea, that's not the best performance from him. Dick's good, but 'Nighter is best. It does seem like he's holding back, but even so, I wouldn't expect him to get hit.

Date: 2014-07-18 02:58 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] shadowpsykie
i got from the panels they showed here that Midnighter WAS holding back. I mean i don't think anyone would go all out (especially someone like midnighter) until he assessed the situation. he was about to up it a notch when lazerman stepped in

Date: 2014-07-18 03:01 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] bradygirl_12
He threw the fight because he's interested in this jazz artist with the pretty head, um, face. ;)

Date: 2014-07-18 07:24 pm (UTC)
icon_uk: (Default)
From: [personal profile] icon_uk
I wanted Dick to punch him really hard, back off and then, because it would be pretty much irresistble to do anything else, shout "JAZZ HANDS!!"

Date: 2014-07-18 04:06 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] dragonbat2006
Considering all the times when Dick has gotten his butt handed to him by some character that the writers want to establish as badass, even if NW fans argue that Dick should have been able to take him/her down easy... I just see this as overdue karma.

Date: 2014-07-18 07:13 pm (UTC)
icon_uk: (Default)
From: [personal profile] icon_uk
Yeah, I'm working from that POV too! :)

Date: 2014-07-18 11:36 am (UTC)
icon_uk: (Default)
From: [personal profile] icon_uk
The art is indeed lovely, and Dick only using a gun as a throwing weapon is about as far as I hope that ever goes.

The Hynos mask thingie is just a rather messy plot device. It scrambles electronic recordings AND brainwaves? That sort of specificity just makes me get even more specific. Could they be tracked by smell if someone had enhanced senses, would it scramble a non-digital camera image?

My biggest problem remains, if Sypral are so keen on knowing superhero identities (and Bruce has mentioned that's a primary goal), why is Dick not simply being mind-probed to within an inch of his psyche to get the information out of him? Why do Sypral think Dick wants to work for them in the first place? What can they give him that no one else can.

Using such an obvious Bat-expy was also a bit of a weak effort for the first super-fight. Honestly though, as others have noted before me, between Batman, Owlman and Midnighter (with Deathstroke in some instances) I think we just have to admit that Dick IS metahuman and broadcasts some sort of signal attracting dark brooding older men

Date: 2014-07-19 04:25 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lieut_kettch
His ass radiates pheromones that attract them. Dark brooding older men and attractive young redheads ( Wally, Roy, Jason, Babs, Kory).

Date: 2014-07-18 01:40 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] nyadnar17
This issue was fun. Dick is still Dick. Power nerf or not I think Midnighter being Dick's rival will be good for both of them popularity wise (also I think Mignighter being gay and Dick being straight and hot has the potential to make for an interesting twist we haven't seen before) .

Dick Grayson hasn't really had a place in the world since DCnU decided all his teen titan adventures never happened and I am hoping DCnU's over abundance of secret societies will give Dick a place to shine. Bottom line is I bought this book, loved it, and will continue to buy more.

Date: 2014-07-18 07:17 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] icon_uk
(also I think Mignighter being gay and Dick being straight and hot has the potential to make for an interesting twist we haven't seen before) .

In canon no, but there are sooooooo many fics out there....

Date: 2014-07-18 10:06 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] silverhammerman
I'm torn between thinking that Midnighter's status as a Batman expy could make the interplay between him and Dick more interesting, and thinking that it would just make it squicky and uncomfortable for me.

Even without a sexual element to it though, setting up Dick's main rival as a dude who is a whole lot like his father figure seems like a good way to integrate character work into the action. Though the relationship between Bruce Wayne and Dick Grayson was utterly gutted in the reboot, so it remains to be seen how much there actually is to explore.

Date: 2014-07-20 01:27 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] junipepper
The final issue of Nightwing has Dick describing himself as having been Bruce's ward and "a son again" after his parents deaths. From things the creators have said in interviews (which I'd cite if I could find them again) it seems like they're trying to move Dick toward something closer to his pre-New52 place in the DCU. Sort of retconning the retcon, if you will.

Date: 2014-07-20 01:47 pm (UTC)
icon_uk: (Default)
From: [personal profile] icon_uk
Without giving him his career as leader of the original Teen Titans and subsequent versions, I don'r really see how they can.

Date: 2014-07-18 01:45 pm (UTC)
nyadnar17: The Green Sign (Default)
From: [personal profile] nyadnar17
Also has it been made clear whether or not Spyral knows who Dick is? I thought the whole "lets not even tell Alfred you are alive" thing was stupid, BUT if Bruce needed to go through extreme measures to sneak a mole into Spyral then is makes more sense.

Can anyone confirm? Does Spyral have any clue who they are dealing with? Or are Batman, Lex Luthor, Cyborg, and Catwoman the only people who know Dick isn't dead?

Date: 2014-07-18 02:53 pm (UTC)
icon_uk: (Default)
From: [personal profile] icon_uk
Sypral know full well that this is Dick Grayson, former Nightaing,, but as I mention above, it's one of the more baffling parts of this whole set up.

Date: 2014-07-19 08:12 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] chortles81
On top of that, the issue ends with a panel where a Spyral monitor declares the Batman = Bruce Wayne probability at 89%, in part based on an "interview" with nu52 Dr. Leslie Thompkins.

BONUS POINTS: Dick used his hypnos implant to get Ninel to go along with him in the first place... and apparently the banner image in the OP is actually what's going on in Ninel's head before the Midnighter fight.
Edited Date: 2014-07-19 08:19 pm (UTC)

Date: 2014-07-20 01:28 am (UTC)
junipepper: (Default)
From: [personal profile] junipepper
The thing with Leslie was shown in the final Nightwing issue.

Date: 2014-07-18 03:44 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] starwolf_oakley
So, is Spyral a mix of D.E.O and Checkmate?

Also, I thought organizations like that were about "keeping tabs" on superpowered beings and masked vigilantes instead of trying to "suss out" their secret identities.

Date: 2014-07-19 03:15 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] richmatdal
I suspect it would be pretty difficult to "keep tabs" on them if you lost track of them every time they changed out of their work clothes.

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