All-New Captain America #3

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[tianyulong]

Oh thank god that awful thing was retconned.

[nyadnar17]

I want to buy like a million issues of this its makes me so happy.

[adam_sherman]

From the sounds of it, Remender's been a hit-or-miss writer; seems like this is one of his hit moments.

[shadowpsykie]

.... is that Skulls daughter?... when did she inherit his look?

[damar148]

During Fear Itself I believe, where she got burned during the final battle by her father's giant robot exploding.

And when did Sam get the strength to throw the shield that hard?

[shadowpsykie]

momentum?

as far as i know, Falcon has normal human stamina. not cap levels... maybe the suit?

[book_of_daniel]

What I don't understand is how the bird flew the heavy thing back to him. How he throws the thing has been bothering me but seeing the bird retrieve it for him is ridiculous. They made such a big deal about how heavy the shield was for Bucky and his bionic arm.

[zechs80]

During the Captain America Rebirth mini which brought Steve back to "life". Pretty much Red Skull's Zola robot body grew to a giant size and after a big battle it fell near her and a piece explode near her face.

[ablackraptor]

Damn, these scans almost make me want to buy some of Remender's work.

[wizardru]

Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

Don't give in!

[thehood]

Actually, his All-New Cap has been pretty good.

Plus retconning Snap Wilson makes me cut him some slack.

[wizardru]

I'll take your word for it. The Cap stuff of his that I've seen so far like the Zola stuff and his Avengers and Axis material have been...not to my liking. And I still harbor a grudge about the New Atom, so I'm biased.

[philippos42]

Yeah, I bought the first issue of this before I realized it was his work. I wasn't thrilled with it, and when I looked at the credits I felt bad for giving him money, because of the bad rep he has with me since All New Atom.

[thehood]

His work can be hit or miss, but do enjoy the hits.

Like his Venom and FrankenCastle.

[kevinroc]

Such a wonderful moment. So glad the horrible "Snap" retcon is no more.

[thereddouglas]

Weird thing about the 'Snap Wilson' story is that even Steve Englehart wasn't sure if would commit to the 'Snap Wilson' idea and claims he just tossed the idea out there to see where it would take him. The problem is that the incoming writer didn't follow-up and we were stuck with it.

http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2013/03/29/comic-book-legends-revealed-412/2/

If there's anything constructive to take from this particular story, it's that not being careful with your story can easily have horrific consequences, such as perpetuating a common stereotype about black people. Especially when a writer as ham-fisted as Stan Lee came up with a much better origin. And speaking Lee, this is the same methodology that gave us the icky 'Professor X lusts after Jean Grey' sub-plot from early X-Men. (Admittedly given the time in which it was published it's sadly not surprising that Englehart didn't consider the implications of this idea.)

I'm glad to see that Remender has put it to rest. And I certainly like how he's done so fairly succinctly compared to other retcons (though it helps having a bad guy who's a Nazi wielding a reality-warping device).

One thing that felt weird was Sam feeling haunted about the reason they chose that story. I mean these are Nazis he talking about, unless it's him reflecting on depths that humans can sink to out of bigotry, but the narration doesn't make that clear.

[althechi]

I think it's also slightly permeating the fourth wall there, but I think Sam is feeling disgusted on some level that such a racist stereotype would be utilised so easily for that backstory.

[thereddouglas]

Ha! That's actually pretty clever. :)

[starwolf_oakley]

Thanks for the link. Interesting part: Steve Englehart didn't *say* Snap WIlson was a pimp. Snap was just... drawn that way

Not only is he never referred to as a pimp, it is clear that he is just working for the mob. He dresses in clothes that might be stereotypically viewed as “pimp clothing,” but the context makes it clear that he is not, in fact, a pimp. LATER writers might have decided that he was a pimp during his time as “Snap” Wilson, but it sure did not appear from the actual text.

It has become close to an urban legend or something "understood but not spoken." Snap Wilson was a pimp because that's how he dressed.

Seeing the full issue of All-New Captain America #3, Snap Wilson is in one panel dressed in a rather ordinary looking muscle T-shirt.

[thereddouglas]

Good call on the "pimp" part. That's a nice illustration of unintended consequences in this case where the implications are nastier than what the writer intended.

"Seeing the full issue of All-New Captain America #3, Snap Wilson is in one panel dressed in a rather ordinary looking muscle T-shirt."

In some ways this concession to the realities of Marvel's sliding time scale is almost disappointing...

...but some friends and I were discussing the possibility that the Red Skull based his implanted memories entirely on 1970s blaxploitation movies. Which he probably thought were documentaries.

[bradygirl_12]

Yay! I too give thumbs up for the retcon of the Snap Wilson story. It never rang true to me, and I am so glad it's gone (at least for now).

[flint_marko]

So how Snap Wilson retconned? Because he says it's not true?

[sagrada]

Well since Captain Falcon is talking in his right mind in a canonical story about how his past went, I'd say there's no other real way to take it. Unless later information contradicts what he says, he was now never actually an obnoxious caricature of a black gangster who sold women. Personally I'll seize on any straw for that.

And also the bit at the top where it's referred to outright as a "smear campagn" by the villainess, that lends extra weight. If it was just Cap saying it, there'd be a lot moe space to doubt him, but since someone else is implying it isn't true, way harder to dispute.

[flint_marko]

I know they're trying to retcon it, probably because they don't want the new cap being a former pimp, but I thought we'd get more of an explanation than Sam simply saying it wasn't true. We've seen Sam remember his past as Snap, we've seen his family talk about it, so at the very least the Skull used the cosmic cube to rewrite his history; so how does Sam know it wasn't real now? And why is he acting like this was already common knowledge for him?

[sagrada]

...That's a very good question. One I have no idea of what the answer is. I apologize for being so patronizing.

[thereddouglas]

Either Remender didn't read these stories or just wants to the retcon over with as quickly as possible. I admit, if I wrote the title my inclination would be to just ignore the story outright and treat Sam's background as was originally presented. The racism underlying the concept, whether or not Englehart intended it, just doesn't deserve being explained away (unless it can be mixed with heavy doses of ridicule).

[thehood]

He straight up says that Snap Wilson was just false memories created by the Skull and Sin more or less confirms it.

[flint_marko]

And how does he know?

[starwolf_oakley]

JM DeMatteis wrote a story called "Snapped" where it was established "Snap" was a persona Sam constructed for himself. Sam was so angry over the murders of his parents (at two different times) he became "Snap" and the Red Skull actually set Sam free.

I posted about it here:
http://scans-daily.dreamwidth.org/4774963.html

Still, I get "Let's not make the new Captain America a former pimp," even though the word "pimp" was never used on panel.

[philippos42]

Ooooh, the burn!

[jaxjyls]

Can someone explain what's Snap Wilson to me?