One Page From FCBD Divergence #1

[lordultimus]

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[informationgeek]

Well that an odd thing to be calling for as you get torn apart. Superman must really love his camera.

[skjam]

I think he's really calling for a better* artist.

*"Better" being a subjective word in this instance.

[cypherfdp]

Clark had been agonizing over the question for days, but by the time he remembered the name of Sonic's home planet, it was too late.

[dark_tzitzimine]

Just for the record, Mobius is the name of the Anti-Monitor

JL 40 revealed that he was the previous owner of Metron's Mobius Chair and his predecessor as the witness of the universe.

[silverhammerman]

Myrina/Evil Amazon lady sure is up and kicking people off of cliffs quick for a women who literally just gave birth.

As I said before, between this Darkseid thing and Wonder Woman's new origin, it seems like the Amazonians are being framed primarily as the mother's of powerful men's children, and I'm not a fan of that.

[lordultimus]

It is worth noting that Myrina mentions that the goddesses created the Amazons to counter the influence of Ares, but the Amazons were drawn into war with the world and, after defeating Hercules, went into seclusion on Themyscira. Myrina wonders if Hippolyta led the Amazons into seclusion to save them or to save her"child-to-be"; this seemed a little odd , timing-wise, but I guess it just means that Hippolyta was dreaming of a daughter even thousands of years ago. Myrina also mentions that the Roman name Diana was probably a way of concealing her [Greek god] father.


Myrina also mentions that she was "the first Amazon to ever leave Themyscira." I assume she means "to live elsewhere," which is why the raids don't count. But is Exorsitos retconned out, or did Myrina just forget about her? And what about Hessia?

[locuatico]

sssh. stop reminding people of better comics.
but, if i wanted to give this story the benefit of the doubt (which i don't. but i'll try to). then, maybe she means "willingly?" as in, not forcefully taken out? also, are the amazons immortal now? i tought they just raped men to reproduce and keep the numbers as they died off(nu52 amazons, anyway...).

[lordultimus]

Honestly not sure. Johns seems to be trying to reconcile the two, but they seem impossible to combine. Some people seem to think that this will lead to Yet Another Reboot, which is pretty much the only way to redeem the Amazons at this point (though he does seem pretty keen on keeping Diana the daughter of Zeus.)

That said, there ARE rumors that Diana will be thousands of years old in the upcoming movie, and this wouldn't be the first time movies bled into comics...

[deh_tommy]

Amazons are immortal, not invulnerable. They can live forever, but are still susceptible to grave injuries. Paradise Island is home to many dangers (such as harpies), so they'd probably rape men to prevent their population dwindling.

Also, what exactly prevents Hessia (from Superman/Wonder Woman) from leaving the Island AFTER Diana helps Steve Trevor?

[locuatico]

1) so brian azzarello's amazons WERE immortal?
2) I have absolutely no idea. Best i can't think off, they think they are being dramatic with that choice of words.

[fredneil.livejournal.com]

" so they'd probably rape men to prevent their population dwindling."

Or they could just ask. Why do things the hard way?

[deh_tommy]

I'm not sure. Perhaps due to a distaste towards men from past experiences? I think Brian Azzarello wanted to make the Amazons mire accurate to their real life counterparts. I'm not fond of the change, mind you, but still.

[locuatico]

but that's when the entire thing falls apart. because if we take that this is supposed to be closer to the myths, then it begs the question, why did he decided to us eth eversion that doesn't have the gargareans? whom with the amazons had an understanding to have their childrens and then gave the gargareans the boys?

[lordultimus]

Even if "the first Amazon to leave" only means "the first Amazon to leave of her own accord," Exoristos left at the end of the Paradise Island arc of Demon Knights, after Hippolyta invited her to stay. It's true, though, that Hessia could have left after Diana, as far as I know; I had the impression she'd been off the island for a long time, but maybe I just assumed so.

I am starting to wonder if Myrina is Exoristos, so that she was the first Amazon ever to leave either way you look at it. She could have eventually come back to Paradise Island, and maybe she was tainted by her contact with Lucifer and the Black Diamond, so that she eventually was corrupted enough to let herself be seduced by Darkseid. I think it would make sense for Exoristos to have named her daughter Grail, given the Demon Knights' encounter with the Holy Grail and also given the mission of her lover, the Shining Knight.

The real continuity issue seems to be Hercules being back to his villain status vs Diana speaking well of him when Aquaman was relaying his current trapped status.

[deh_tommy]

Well, would this be a case of "Story over Continuity", or am I just trying to utilise a deniable way of saying "don't think about the issue"?

Perhaps Diana simply didn't know better. When did Hercules turn evil again, may I ask? And when did Wonder Woman show sympathy for him?

[lordultimus]

I don't know that he offically "turned evil again," but the first panel (or one of the first) of Divergence 1 says that he was at least an enemy of the Amazons at one time. And the same panel, or a nearby one, says that the Amazons were originally charged with a mission of peace; if he opposed that mission, he probably wasn't such a good guy, we can guess.

I think it was in an issue of Aquaman that she said that Hercules was the noblest of the ancient mythic heroes, or something like that.

[q99]

Ex was totally written without the new take of Amazons being in mind. And vice-versa.

[locuatico]

I miss Exoristos...

[q99]

Only because she was awesome!

And Demon Knights really reads more like oldDC Amazons/etc..

[espanolbot]

Well she's probs off hanging out with their similarly immortal SO, Shining Knight. :)

[q99]

Yep!

Hm, nu Amazons aren't really immortal, so DK really was quite old-DC-y...

[espanolbot]

Well considering Hippolyta is one of the OG Amazons, and that Ex hadn't aged in the... forty or so years in between the Avalon and Vampire arcs, I think that she might have a touch of the immortal about her too. If not she's really long lived. :)

Though there is a difference between then being immortal and undying though, obviously. Ystin appears to be undying as it's shown to be REALLY hard to kill him, same with Ex. Although I figured that the original Amazons were immortal, but they either died through accident, warfare etc., hence why they needed to replenish their numbers occasionally. But the immortality thing got watered down over time, so they ended up having to regularly restock their numbers once the immortality/healing factor thingy was bred out of a portion of the Amazon population.

The reboot DCU had this with Amazons too, hence why Grace Choi would survive having her head partially incinerated by a Captain Marvel villain over in the Outsiders.

[locuatico]

demon knights was set pre-flashpoint and noone can tell me otherwise :P

[q99]

Yea :D

[locuatico]

well, they have practice. what with all the male babies they have thrown off cliffs... i hate NU52 version of the amazons so goddamn much.

[deh_tommy]

I thought the babies were given to Hephaestus?

[locuatico]

only because he stepped in AND because he offered them weapons in exchange. if not for him, then they would have been perfectly okay throwing babies off a cliff. in fact, it may had become the local sport. can you beat the record? :D

[q99]

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As I said before, between this Darkseid thing and Wonder Woman's new origin, it seems like the Amazonians are being framed primarily as the mother's of powerful men's children, and I'm not a fan of that.
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Agreed.

Also, y'know, them usually being *really evil* is something I'm no fan of.

[redmagpie]

Has Superman lost his v neck collar thing?

[silverhammerman]

Yeah, he got a minor costume overhaul courtesy of John Romita Jr. It eliminated the nehru collar as well as some of the superfluous lines and added some yellow back to the belt.

WTF

[7dialsmystery]

So...I take it this "Anti-God" is this Grail person we've been hearing about.

Re: WTF

[dr_archeville]

I thought the "Anti-God" was the Anti-Monitor?

Re: WTF

[lordultimus]

The preview refers to Darkseid and the Anti-Monitor as the DARK god and the ANTI-god.

It shouldn't be hard to figure out which is which.

[lyricalswagger]

Who is Jessica?

[locuatico]

The current Power Ring. remember power ring from forever evil? she is the new owner of the ring of Volthoom. i think she is a superhero.

[silverhammerman]

Genuine question, has she shown actually shown up much past her origin story? Because, not being someone who reads Justice League, I haven't even heard about the character since her debut, so her inclusion in the prophecy lineup is a little surprising.

[lordultimus]

From what I can tell, she's been taking the role of over-aggressive female now that Johns is writing Wondy decently.

(I haven't been following it either, so if I'm wrong, someone please correct me.)