Pietro and Wanda: Iffy Long Before Ultimates

[nonners.insanejournal.com]

Context? Who needs it?















So... they're comparing Wanda and Pietro's sibling relationship to the romantic relationship of Clint and Natasha? Okay!


Nothing too bad here - just more protectiveness.







And of course, the ever popular:




Yeah, so a lot of these aren't that bad, but still. I haven't even posted a fraction of Pietro's overprotectiveness, or their overly affectionate moments. Ultimates just seems like a natural (if squicky) progression.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Oh, golly. That ain't subtle. Especially the first one.

Although I'll always have a soft spot for the gondola scene in Ultimates.

[jlroberson.insanejournal.com]

Between this and Magneto making her dance as his "blank-eyed beauty," I've long assumed there was something more weird than mutanthood about that family. In Loeb's ULTIMATES, what bothered me about making it overt, which Millar had pretty much already done, wasn't that--it was the way the Wasp spoke to Captain America about it as though he was all unhip and out of step for finding that a bit weird. Uh, no, Jan, it IS weird. Though it is in character and always has been. These two gots some issues.

Also though: I really love Perez' art on both of them. He's the first one to bring out anything Eastern European in their faces and to actually make them seem like siblings physically.

[angelophile.insanejournal.com]

Motto. Loeb managed to be more unsubtle than Millar, which is pretty mindblowing.

[jlroberson.insanejournal.com]

Millar not only got it across with style, he had her flirting with a FUCKING ROBOT right in front of him. It was funny. I mean, he made Wanda plenty freaky, but I think there was a lot more wit in it there, while Loeb is rubbing your eyes in it.

"GET IT?" Loebs is shouting at me as he rubs a crinkled comic in my face.

And I finally get it.

I understand why he breaks paragraphs across the page, to make all this

SEEM.

IMPORTANT.

It's because--

"YOU SUCK, LOEB!"

[angelophile.insanejournal.com]

I think the thing was that Millar implied they were in love without drawing a fucking picture. Loeb not only stated they were in love, but had Wasp voice the "And what's wrong with that, Cap, you old square" comment which was simply wrong, along with implying that they were in love and also physically intimate, which even Millar had skirted away from. It's something that worked better as subtext and for the life of me, I don't understand Loeb's motivation for writing that scene at all, yet alone the way he did it.

[autumn_lily.insanejournal.com]

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[icon_uk.insanejournal.com]

Between this and Magneto making her dance as his "blank-eyed beauty," I've long assumed there was something more weird than mutanthood about that family

To be fair, Magneto had no idea that Wanda was his daughter at that point, so whilst it's weird and wrong he'd do that to ANYONE, it's not incestuously weird and wrong, just generically.

[nonners.insanejournal.com]

He does like to use his children to seduce other people, though. He didn't know Wanda was his daughter when he tried it with Namor, but he's done it a few other times.

[drsevarius.insanejournal.com]

when else has he done it?

[nonners.insanejournal.com]

With Quicksilver in House of M, and Wanda in Ultimate X-Men. Both alternate realities, mind, but it's fun to lump them all together. :D

Thank you!

[jazzypom.insanejournal.com]

The Pierto/Wanda story always had shades of Flowers in the Attic to me from way back, so when I heard about their shenanigans in the Ultimates (to be fair, that's what caused me to go and pick up the comic at first) I was like, "Well, that was an organic evolution.

There's close, and there's Pietro/Wanda close.

[ar_feiniel_.insanejournal.com]

I always love these scenes: they work as creepy crack but also as genuinely touching.

[volksjager.insanejournal.com]

Beyond all that ...who wishes The Black Widow would put the old costume on for one last time ???

[angelophile.insanejournal.com]

It's Scans_Daily. I'm sure you're not alone. But by crikey I wish you were.

[nonners.insanejournal.com]

There's always X-Men First Class, right? She was definitely working the old costume in there.

[volksjager.insanejournal.com]

Yeah ! I got that one in my Christmas stocking. Cute story. Never read any of the rest.

[bwmedia.wordpress.com (from insanejournal.com)]

The one there? Ye gods, no! I know money was tight back then, but you'd think Mother Russia could come up with something that didn't look like a bargain store scavenger hunt.

[kenn_el.insanejournal.com]

I never got anything incestuous between the twins, mostly because of Wanda's interest in Cap. Just two orphans who'd had to rely upon each other to the extent that Pietro's overprotectiveness prevented Wanda from any healthy human relationship to the point of hooking up with the Vision, and leaving Pietro no time to pursue what might have been his own interests. I always read Pietro as gay, and the Crystal thing seemed imposed purely to get him out of the Avengers and free up Johnny over in FF. There seemed so many parallels between the gay and overprotective Northstar and his twisted sister, Aurora, that I'd always wondered whether he's had the Maximoffs in mind when he fleshed out the Beaubiers.

[ashtoreth.insanejournal.com]

Now, that's an interesting idea. (Why are male speedsters gay?)

Implies that Wanda may have been cracked for a long time, long before the RARR moment.

[nonners.insanejournal.com]

I've actually had similar thoughts about the Maximoff twins, except with a few changes reading Pietro's character. His overprotectiveness keeping Wanda from real relationships is spot on in my mind, though.

The incest crack is fun to laugh about though. :D ('Cause if you don't think about it too hard....)