Date: 2015-08-01 05:52 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] captainbellman
On the one hand, I dig that they're trying to make him distinct from Superman as a character. On the other, it is being a bit grim. Especially as the whole "I was made for evil, but I choose to do good!" aspect makes him much more analogous to Marvel's Vision.

Date: 2015-08-01 08:08 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] jlbarnett
you know what I've just realized. The next writer can totally undo this, with them just saying this is the false memory. We should encourage them to do that

Date: 2015-08-01 08:11 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] captainbellman
Heck, it worked for the Jeph Loeb Supergirl (inasmuch as anything "worked" for that character).

Date: 2015-08-01 06:13 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] beyondthefringe
This would have so much more emotional resonance if they hadn't kept him sidelined for so much of the New 52. Was he really part of the Justice League, and if so, how long? How long was he part of Stormwatch before he quit them? How long was he part of the JLA before he quit -them-?

What we've seen of J'Onn in this new era is a guy who can't stay on a team to save his life, not a mainstay or emotional core of the Justice League. So having him be all weepy over this doesn't jibe with his sparse characterization and presentation... they're trying to bank on the remaining goodwill of fans from the previous universe.

I'm glad he's gotten a series again, I just think this isn't the right approach. Sigh.

Date: 2015-08-01 07:56 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] locuatico
yeah. they keep bringing this supposedly emotional scenes, but because a lot of their weight depends on the old DCU, it doesn't work. they did this changes to this characters at the start of the reboot, and now said changes are blowing in their faces.

Date: 2015-08-01 08:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] daningram.insanejournal.com
"they're trying to bank on the remaining goodwill of fans from the previous universe."

One way or another, that's what DC's trying to do with all their characters now

Date: 2015-08-02 08:26 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] q99
-they're trying to bank on the remaining goodwill of fans from the previous universe. -

That's a problem, DC does sometimes forget they need to establish new stuff, and not just coast on overspill from the last uni.

Date: 2015-08-01 08:47 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] tigerkaya
Uh DC why are you copying Vision's origin?

Date: 2015-08-02 08:31 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] captainbellman
Why are they putting out a Doomsday character who's essentially Miles Morales with Peter Parker's family? Why are they making Dr. Fate a teenager with Egyptian emigrant parents?

Not saying those are bad things, per se, but would they have come about at all if Marvel hadn't set the precedent?

Date: 2015-08-02 03:39 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] tigerkaya
I haven't been keeping up with DC so I couldn't tell you, and honestly I have no idea what your talking about. II'm talking about DC suddenly making Martian Manhunter origin more like Vision laughable. For years I've heard the jokes of how Vision is a Martian Manhunter clone even though it never made sense so to see DC have J'ohnn copy Vision's origins is kinda sad.

Date: 2015-08-02 02:41 am (UTC)
thatnickguy: Oreo-lovin' Martian (Default)
From: [personal profile] thatnickguy
So wait, hold on, are they saying J'ohn was a White Martian all along or something?

Date: 2015-08-02 08:27 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] q99
I think they're saying he may not be a martian, he may be an artificially created 'villain'?

Well, I lack the context to say for sure.

Date: 2015-08-03 01:50 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lordultimus
Maybe they're saying that all Martians are White Martians?

Date: 2015-08-03 09:42 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] silverhammerman
Does this mean that the scenes with MM as some sort of benevolent neighborhood bogeyman were a flash forward?

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