Mercury Heat #1 - "The Long, Slow Dawn"
Aug. 11th, 2015 03:57 pm
"I like the genre [of post-apocalyptic fiction] but its predominance spoke to something else -- a culture with an inability to imagine a future. Post-apocalyptic fiction is literally giving up, saying it's all over and a complete abdication of trying to imagine how the future could be. What's the best riposte to that? I decided that it wasn't actually utopian sci-fi. That's merely its inversion. It was to create a future where we've managed to deal with several of what presently seem as insurmountable problems... but a world where there's a whole separate bunch of problems to deal with. There will be a future. It will have problems in it. We will have to deal with them. Grow up." -- Kieron Gillen
"Just as long as you can keep moving."
While sniffing for clues, they're attacked by two would-be hitmen. The attackers flee, and Luiza gives chase.

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Date: 2015-08-12 04:09 am (UTC)Has Gillen heard of Star Trek? That's a persistent problem that I have with his work; it's clever, but not really as clever as he seems to think it is.
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Date: 2015-08-12 04:49 am (UTC)Ask a group of Star Trek fans why they like the show, and you're bound to hear talk of how the franchise envisions a better humanity.
It's pretty much as close to a utopia as you're likely to get in serial fiction, where the very nature of drama means there needs to be *some* source of conflict.
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Date: 2015-08-13 12:09 am (UTC)And then Roddenberry's grip on the franchise loosened, and you had the Borg, a new and almost existential threat to the Federation's very existence; Star Trek VI, which had a faction within Starfleet conspiring against the rest of it in order to perpetuate the cold war with the Klingons; Deep Space Nine, in which yet another interstellar war caused a lot of people within Starfleet and the Federation to question how far they were willing to compromise their ethics to save themselves; a group in DS9 and Voyager called the Maquis that was not only in political opposition to the mainstream Federation, but willing to commit terrorist acts to get their way; etc. And even some of the more mundane aspects of the show mirrored the whole new-problems-have-replaced-the-old-ones theme; take disease, for example. Cancer and a number of other problematic diseases of our era have been cured, but both Jean-Luc Picard (of the future) and Spock's dad had very Alzheimer-ish alien diseases that were incurable; Kirk was allergic to the miracle drug that is used to treat nearsightedness, and needs glasses.
It's not exaggerating to say that, for at least half of the franchise's existence, the idea that threats to humanity's existence in Star Trek were almost purely external simply hasn't been the status quo. And, as sagrada notes below, there are lots and lots of other examples in SF that cover much of the ground between dystopias and utopias.
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Date: 2015-08-13 04:41 am (UTC)Like I said earlier, of course there's going to be lots of sources of conflict in Star Trek, and in pretty much all so-called utopian fiction. Fiction rely on conflict, drama relies on high stakes. So you're not going to get literal utopias, just worlds where overall you can still say "society's definitely gotten better," which you can certainly do for Trek. (Likewise, a work's not disqualified from being dystopian just because its world isn't a complete shithole. I'd say most cyberpunk is dystopian, what with the genre's focus on evil megacorporations.) Heck, you'd be hard-pressed to find an article or essay about the franchise's appeal that *doesn't* bring up its optimistic, idealistic view of the future.
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Date: 2015-08-12 05:08 am (UTC)The afterword is much longer than the paragraph of it that's quoted here and goes into his thought process; apparently this book has been on the drawing board in one way or another for seven years.
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Date: 2015-08-12 07:18 pm (UTC)Or 2001: A Space Odyssey, where 50 years after an explosion of love and cultural integration the world is still in the Cold War, the universe is still dark, cold and forbiddingly vast, our skill with creating new minds is crippled by lack of understanding of those minds, and humans are practically curiosities being prodded by inscrutable aliens.
Or Moon, where we're still dealing with corporate misconduct and personal fragility despite being able to extract miracle fuels from Earth's satellite.
Or...really, anything cyberpunk, anything about the future, is about how we still have problems there and still need to think about what we're doing. I don't read sci-fi novels(besides REALLY old stuff like Skylark), so sadly I can't bring up any, but I understand that's a nearly ubiquitous theme in future-fiction.
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Date: 2015-08-14 05:37 am (UTC)I remember Stephen King talking about the Stand. When he first came up with the idea.
"the vision [i]s also strangely optimistic. No more energy crisis, for one thing, no more famine, no more massacres in Uganda, no more acid rain or hole in the ozone layer."
Which is a bit like trying to cure a sickness by killing the patient but eh.
Attack on Titan kind of took this idea apart. It's foreshadowed the the reason the Titan apocalypse happened was as part of a plan to create a peaceful society. But since humans are humans, the manga takes time to show all the various problems the remaining human society has.
Than again I'm still a bit iffy on Attack on Titan's politics, given Isayama's nationalistic views.