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Posting this has become sort a semi-Halloween tradition so without further do, Junji Ito's most famous story.

Following an earthquake in an unnamed prefecture, a fault near to the epicentre of the quake is discovered on Amigara Mountain (the name Amigara meaning "empty shell").

Owaki, a hiker, is lost on the mountain.







Scientists examining the holes announce that there is no way to find out how deep into the mountain the holes go. The holes are not natural and must have been dug from the inside. They figure that the accumulation of soil over the centuries eventually sealed up the entrance, yet they have no way of knowing why the holes were made or who would have the technology to do it.

Owaki sees Yoshida looking for something, and asks what. She explains she came here because on TV, she had seen a hole in her own shape. She swears it is her exact silhouette and was meant for her. Owaki's sceptical, but another man called Nakagaki overhears and says that the same thing happened to him.



The scientists' equipment can find no trace of Nakagaki. A rescue squad is dispatched, but have to retreat after getting no more than five meters inside the hole.

Owaki camps out overnight and has a nightmare in which he is Nakagaki.



When Owaki awakes, Nakagaki hasn't been found. Yoshida tells Owaki that she has found her own hole at the foot of the mountain.

In front of a news crew reporting on Nakagaki's disappearance, a man climbs up to one of the holes. He shouts "This is my hole! It was made for me!" and disappears inside. All the people present at the site begin climbing into "their" holes.







They kiss.

That night, Owaki has another dream. In this one, he is a criminal in the past who has committed a horrific crime. His sentence is to enter inside a hole in the mountain that was dug out for him.



Owaki wakes to find that Yoshida has unblocked her hole and disappeared into it.



As he sits mournfully by the mountain, he hears a noise and to his horror sees his own hole beside him.







As a bonus... from Gunshow Comic...



Happy Halloween!

Date: 2015-11-01 08:33 am (UTC)
icon_uk: (Default)
From: [personal profile] icon_uk
Still completely weird and creepy, after all trese years!

Date: 2015-11-01 09:39 am (UTC)
baihu: (Default)
From: [personal profile] baihu
It suddenly occurred to me that the holes accounted for people keeping their underwear on. No dong holes.

Date: 2015-11-01 01:01 pm (UTC)
trooper924: (Default)
From: [personal profile] trooper924
So this is what Steven Universe was referencing with the Kindergarten.

Brr. Makes me claustrophobic just looking at it.

Date: 2015-11-01 06:13 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] atom_punk
Yeah I could never take this seriously (as in be scared or even remotely weirded out) because I saw that the main character's "hole" is shaped to accommodate his hairstyle.

That first guy's hair is short so you can shrug it off, the girl's hole looks like it might be shaped around her hair as well but that can be vaguely shrugged off. But the main character's hole is DEFINITELY shaped around his hair with those two "tufts" by the neck.

And in that context this is much less horror and more Looney Tunes to me XD

The ridiculous holes, the stretchy bodies, even that "big reveal" shot of the character's deformed body still sliding out the holes just looks like it should be accompanied by a Three-Stooges style "WOOPWOOPWOOPWOOPWOOP" as his arms flail about.

Like I said, Looney Tunes. xD
Edited Date: 2015-11-01 06:16 pm (UTC)

Date: 2015-11-01 07:50 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] thezmage
I definitely agree. Especially the part with the hair. The holes will accommodate the hair, but not the clothes, except for the underwear, but not glasses. Plus, y'know, if you don't want to go into the hole, then don't. It's really not that complicated.

Date: 2015-11-01 10:20 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] q99
It's a compulsion. They went there in the first place because they were drawn to it.

Date: 2015-11-02 06:03 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] atom_punk
"a real-world context"

...As opposed to what? I'm critiquing this as a potential reader, pointing out something silly about what I'm reading.

Are you you suggesting I have to view this purely as a character in the story in order to make a valid criticism? Because that's not how artistic criticism works.

And even if I was a character in this story I'd still notice that the silhouettes are shaped around hair and I'd still laugh at it, vague and poorly defined supernatural compulsions be damned :p

Date: 2015-11-02 03:11 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] atom_punk
What I take issue with is the way you seem to suggest that my notion of how this story is silly is less valid because I'm viewing it from a "real-life context".

I'm criticizing the way that the odd and deliberate inclusion of hair in the shape of those holes undermines what is (presumably) meant to be a scary, or at the very least creepy, story.

To use your own comparison of "Alice and Wonderland", that work is explicitly meant to have absurd fantastical elements in it while still retaining its own twisted logic. So yes, any criticism of Alice must keep that absurd nature in mind, but that does not somehow elevate that story above criticism.

And to return to the works of Junji Ito, the fact that his stories have paranormal elements does not instantly excuse it from being critiqued either.

Date: 2015-11-02 08:37 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] penguinzero
I've seen a pretty big disconnect between what I think of as the Western and Japanese traditions of horror from time to time (though the categories aren't universally applicable), and this is an excellent example of it.

Western horror tends to have rules and logic to it. A vampire is a being with superpowers that drains blood to feed. It uses those powers to its advantage, and generally behaves like a sensible if hedonistic human being would given those powers and a healthy dose of self-centered arrogance. It has defined weaknesses, and generally will operate by the same or similar rules in any story it shows up in. It's recognizable and understandable -- the horror comes from its power over you, whether that's a powerful mental charm that leaves you unable to think straight or just its ability to pin you down with superhuman strength and drink your blood. Other Western horrors are similar -- werewolves have rules about how and why they become wolf-monsters, and generally behave like we imagine vicious wild beasts with a taste for human flesh to behave. Ghosts exist for a reason, have rules for what they do, and can often be dealt with by working through whatever unresolved issues they have. There's exceptions, but usually a Western monster will be recognizable and understandable on some level -- it's just overwhelmingly powerful. You can defeat it, if you use the right weapon, or say the right prayers, or are the right kind of person. It just might be powerful enough to kill you before you can manage that.

Japanese horror, at least the traditional kind, doesn't go in for that so much. It's about mystery, irrationality, and the unknown. Things can happen that we have no logical explanation for, and that *can* have no logical explanation. Monsters don't act logically, or often even according to recognizable emotions. Threats may come from the darkness, from the wilderness, or from seemingly normal things that suddenly turn on you. More than that, it's also about the irrationality of the human mind. People are seized by passions and compulsions that make no sense, and though they may fight against them, they eventually can't help but give in, even it will lead to their own destruction. The stories are comfortable with ambiguity -- they may leave even what exactly happened open to interpretation, much less why.

Ultimately, traditional Western horror says, 'The world is a dangerous place, and only by knowing what's happening and behaving properly can you save yourself.' Traditional Japanese horror says, 'The world is a strange and unknowable place, and there is nothing in it you can truly trust and understand, not even yourself.'

Date: 2015-11-02 01:09 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] q99
Though in this one, I think there *are* rules, just not ones that give a way out.


If you see the holes and you're one of the people with a hole, you will feel a desire to go to the site. If you see your hole, that will increase to a very strong compulsion, that grows with time. Fear and obstacles may delay you, but in the end you'll be drawn to removing obstacles and enter your hole. Once you've entered your hole, you will be transformed.


Junji Ito's stories often have rules, just not always helpful ones. Like, there's the tree with addictive sap. You're safe if you don't eat the sap. And the Death Stench of Gyo works with certain mechanisms....

Date: 2015-11-02 03:31 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] atom_punk
My criticism is not about the way people in this story are inexplicably compelled to go into their hole, it's about how the holes are ridiculously specifically shaped like a key and a lock.

And even taking into account what you describe as the Japanese theme of "fearing the unknown" this story feels like it falls short.

We KNOW with certainty that hole belongs to the main character because it is ridiculously specific to his shape and hair.

We KNOW what happens to people who go into the hole because of that last panel. That's not a hallucination or a dream sequence like the earlier ones, that's literally a guy SEEING what happened to the protagonist.

The only thing we don't know is why they are compelled to go in there :p

The story is just not for me I suppose.

Date: 2015-11-01 11:02 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] kurenai_tenka
Oh OP, the horror of you posting this is that I knew I wouldn't be able to stop myself reading it again. Drr drr drr.

Date: 2015-11-01 11:08 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lordultimus
This is your manga. They wrote it for you. It was made for you to read.

Date: 2015-11-01 11:12 pm (UTC)
kurenai_tenka: (Default)
From: [personal profile] kurenai_tenka
Oh god I'm scared! D=

Date: 2015-11-02 12:56 pm (UTC)
q99: (Default)
From: [personal profile] q99
Oh hey, I think I see my hole!

Date: 2015-11-02 04:39 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] dustbunny105
I always thought this story would have been more effective if it ended with the researchers finding the squiggly holes on the other side, or maybe with the guy who looks in getting scared. Something about the last panel just turns down the shivers for me.

Date: 2015-11-03 03:00 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] pyynk
Makes sense. Sometimes the horror we imagine is more terrifying than the horror we're shown.

Date: 2015-11-03 03:14 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] matrix_dragon
It's the last line that does it for me. "It's slowly coming this way!" Cracks me up every time.

Date: 2016-05-08 09:29 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] fra080389
But in that case, we just would be supposed he saw a body stuck, not someone/thing of live and moving...

Date: 2016-05-09 03:05 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] dustbunny105
I disagree. Watching the dude keep walking even as his body distorted told me clearly enough what the squiggling lines meant, and the researcher saying something was coming forward would have made it clear enough he was still going.

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