Date: 2015-11-01 11:22 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] norj
Gorgon got taken out by the reflection trick! Really?

Date: 2015-11-01 09:27 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] razsolo
Oh, I feel so dumb! I honestly had nfi what was going on in that panel with Wolvie popping his claws and then suddenly the bad guy's like ash or whatever.....it was only after reading your comment that it dawned on me the guy's name is Gorgon and it made sense :p

Date: 2015-11-01 02:14 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] wizardru
Reading Gorgon's backstory, he reads as the most Mary Sue-ish character I've seen. He reads like somebody's ridiculous RPG character they won't shut up about: oh, he's a genius polymath with undefined psychic powers, and he's a super-ninja that's so badass he killed himself to prove he was dedicated and he took over the Hand and he can heal like Wolverine and he can turn people to stone and he has a magic sword called 'Godkiller' and he's a leader in Hydra and and and....UGH.

He also got better from dying here, so...there's that.

Date: 2015-11-01 06:58 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] silverhammerman
That's always been my evaluation of the character as well, and it's almost shocking to think that Gorgon was created by a actual professional adult writer.

I feel like the only way Gorgon could ever be made anything but embarrassing would be to repurpose him into essentially a parody of himself and similarly trying-too-hard "cool" characters.
Edited Date: 2015-11-01 07:03 pm (UTC)

Date: 2015-11-01 07:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] daningram.insanejournal.com
"and it's almost shocking to think that Gorgon was created by a actual professional adult writer."

Except when one remembers that it was written by Millar. Really, it's par for the course with him.

When has he ever created a balanced villain?

Date: 2015-11-02 12:57 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] silverhammerman
I dunno, I mean the Colonel from the Ultimates and Doom's Master are both definitely trying too hard, but I usually find that the problem with Millar's antagonists is that they're outright unpleasant to read. Because while Millar is unparalleled when it comes to writing characters as pieces of shit, he never seems to quite know when to ease off, so he winds up going too far.
Edited Date: 2015-11-02 12:57 am (UTC)

Date: 2015-11-02 07:33 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mrstatham
The only smart move Millar made was making Doom's Master Doom himself. That was a pretty smart trick, and really avoided anything like 'this guy is worse than Doom himself'; no, Doom taught Doom.

But yeah, his villains are usually pretty much bottom of the barrel pieces of shit, like Mr Rictus, who.. Supposedly died and came back to life, but doesn't really do anything with that thematically other than be hedonistic and fuck.. Oh, sorry, make love to goats. Because there isn't any great mileage you could get out of a guy who died, found nothing at all in the afterlife, and came back.

Date: 2015-11-03 09:05 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] nyadnar17
Gorgon being a mary sue is the single best things about him. Him coming back from the dead minus his eye powers(thus eliminated the one easy way to beat him) is the best thing ever.

Why?

Remember old Sabertooth? Remember Classic Kingpin, Old School Eddie Brock Venom? Remember back when there was actually some doubt that the hero could overcome the villain? That is what the Gorgon is for Marvel now. Everyone knows how Spiderman vs Electro/Rhino/Vuture/etc is going to turn out. But Gorgon vs Shang Chi? How the hell is Shang going to pull that off? Gorgon vs Captain America? Who walks away from that fight?

Gorgon is one of the few actual villains (not anti-hero like Deathstroke, Death's Head, or Sinestro) who is allowed to beat the hero. Hell at Marvel he might be the only one.

Date: 2015-11-01 08:06 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] freezer
And, once again, heroes that could've squashed this Villain Sue like a bug are mysteriously nowhere to be found..

Date: 2015-11-02 05:22 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] beyondthefringe
Absolutely no one is bothered by the fact that Wolverine killed 1800 people on top of everything else he's done.

This isn't like dropping a bomb or crashing a plane or releasing poison gas. No, he got up close and personal and stab-snikted these guys to death. Be they ninjas, demons, or mooks, that's a hell of a body count. Sheesh.

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