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"With some apologies to the great Donna Troy, this character has one of the most complicated and perhaps convoluted histories in comics. A close reading of his definitive origins in Avengers Forever reveals that the close reader now has a headache. And that was written like three Vision deaths ago.

With this series we’re going to strip all that noise away and return to the simple, sweet, and amazingly compelling set up Roy Thomas first gave the character: a robot built to be a weapon who wants to be a human, who wants to be a hero. He’s the powerful stranger who for some flattering reason wants to be like us. Vision is Data. Vision is Spock. Vision is Superman. Vision is who I was, the geek trying to fit in, realizing I never will, and realizing that that ain’t all bad.
" - Tom King

Writer: Tom King
Artist: Gabriel Hernandez Walta
Colorist: Jordie Bellaire



One last post and it's for one heck of a title, The Vision. It's about Vision and his newly created family moving out to living near Washington D.C. (Vision is sort of the go between the Avengers and the government) and what happens when they try living there.

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Now time for a high school education...

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It's hard to do this comic justice (especially with not being able to squeeze in the ending or showing the scenes between Vision and his wife), but... but just get it. You need to read this in its entirety to get the most out of it.

Date: 2015-11-05 04:20 am (UTC)
thanekos: Seiga Kaku from Touhou 13, shadowed. (Default)
From: [personal profile] thanekos
I like how the story structure and progression fit absolutely none of the preconceptions voiced about this book.

(Especially that end-of-issue villain: " YOU'RE NOT MY FAMILY ", indeed.)

Date: 2015-11-05 04:27 am (UTC)
baihu: (Default)
From: [personal profile] baihu
I started laughing when he burst in though. Like holy shit, he is straight out of the 80s with that costume (heck it was tacky even back then!). And he's still going on about "you're not my family GWAARRRGH"!

Out of all people to survive post-SW, it had to be him and his costume that looks like some kind of pirate-Black-Bolt cosplay.
Edited Date: 2015-11-05 04:27 am (UTC)

Date: 2015-11-05 05:18 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] long_silence
Didn't they kill the Young Avengers Vision to make it less convoluted when the adult Vision came back? And yet here he is building a whole family of Visions including two more teens.

Poor Jonas.

Date: 2015-11-05 10:36 pm (UTC)
practicalcat: Cropped panel of Kid Eternity as Tula (Aquagirl I) walloping Brother Blood (Tula disapproves)
From: [personal profile] practicalcat
He's not even fully dead, there is a back-up of him in the Avengers' computers. The YA chose not to make use of it because "he wouldn't want to live without Cassie", but apparently no one let any of them know that she's not dead anymore...

So, so aggravated. I like Jonas, he had a completely different take on the "who am I as a person?" question than Vision I and ugh ugh ugh dammit Marvel whyyyyyyyyyy.

Date: 2015-11-06 01:40 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] long_silence
It just sucks how Marvel is handling like half the team.

Jonas is probably rusting away in the same warehouse that the Avengers left the adult Vision in for years after Disassembled.
Tommy hasn't shown up in anything in ages and is still the one with the least development. He was really only in volume 2 as a hostage/guest appearance
Eli is apparently still retired even though literally every other surviving member of the team came out of retirement, and Eli wanted this as much as any of them. But for him it's permanent for some reason.
Cassie is back from the dead, but has had her heart ripped out and her powers taken from her so that her dad can angst and have the villain he had in the movie. She hasn't interacted with anyone on the team so we don't even know if she has any idea that Jonas died like 5 second after she did and they left him dead for her.

Date: 2015-11-06 01:57 am (UTC)
practicalcat: Power Girl shouting that she hates a refrigerator as she rips the door off (Power Girl hates refrigerators)
From: [personal profile] practicalcat
It seriously sucks.

Tommy has basically been treated as an appendage of Billy's. They need him around because Wanda and Vizh had twins, but Billy gets most of the focus -- even in what was nominally supposed to be their shared issue of Young Avengers Presents, Tommy was pretty much reduced to Boy Hostage In Hell.

Gillen was told that he couldn't use Eli because there were "plans" for him, which have yet to materialize. Which is a shame not just from an in-story perspective, but also out-of-story: Eli is so fucking relevant to today's political climate that it makes me want to cry.

And there is really no way that Cassie should not have had some contact with her friends -- even if her mother expressly forbade her from it, it's not like she can keep Cassie away from all forms of electronic communication, and it's not like Cassie wouldn't fight her tooth and nail on it.

None of the characters are behaving in a way that makes any sense at all and ugh. This was my team, this is what got me into Marvel (and really, comics in general) in the first place, and now it's what's driving me away.

Date: 2015-11-06 03:24 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] jekylls_salvation
Your complaints are kind of making me want to read a book about your complaints. Like the young avengers grow up and they're all disappointed and disappointing. Cassie goes through some medical stuff that makes her realize she's not a special snowflake, and Eli completely doesn't step up to meet your expectation of him being a literal social justice warrior, and Tommy gets treated like an appendage because he's not... um, as "interesting" as Billy. Hm. I really want to know what happens to Tommy now. Like maybe him and Cassie just have a kid, and he works an industry job to pay the bills. Could you write this?

Date: 2015-11-06 03:25 am (UTC)
jekylls_salvation: (Default)
From: [personal profile] jekylls_salvation
And they all have passive aggressive Kate envy please.

Date: 2015-11-06 03:50 am (UTC)
practicalcat: Asgardian and Hulkling agreeing that what they're observing is not how super heroes are supposed to behave (/not/ super hero behavior)
From: [personal profile] practicalcat
Nahh, it's all yours. My plate's full of ridiculous things like Teddy hitch-hiking back to Earth from the Skrull Empire because they were taking too damn long getting him a ship, trailed by an exasperated Xavin.

Date: 2015-11-06 02:21 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] silverhammerman
I find Marvel's handling of all the Young Avengers stuff so baffling. Not just because they've sidelined half the original team, who have an avid fanbase, but they still haven't followed up on the Gillen/McKelvie run, despite it having been a massive hit both with critics and the younger audience that Marvel is actively courting these days.

Date: 2015-11-06 03:01 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] long_silence
At least Wiccan, Hulkling, Kate and America are all starring in different books and get to continue being heroes.
Billy is still on track to becoming Demiurge whatever that means
Teddy is going to become King of Space
America gets to actually date a girl on panel and show interest in her and get her help in saving reality which is more character development than she got in most of volume 2.
And they're all being written by Ewing who is arguably the best writer Marvel has on staff right now.
Meanwhile Kate gets to costar in yet another volume of Hawkeye.
That's a lot more than the others are getting.

Date: 2015-11-06 03:46 am (UTC)
practicalcat: Asgardian and Hulkling agreeing that what they're observing is not how super heroes are supposed to behave (/not/ super hero behavior)
From: [personal profile] practicalcat
Man, Teddy's gonna hate being king of space. He didn't even want to run the Skrull Empire and "space" is way bigger than that.

Date: 2015-11-06 04:36 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] baihu
My biggest hope is a version of them ending up in the MCU. Seriously, TV miniseries or movie franchise focusing on the Young Avengers is a goldmine for the teen/tween/young adult demographic.

Though the little issue of 'timeline' is still there. And unlikely Marvel Studios would want to make any definite 'future' that they can't take back so I doubt they would do this.

However, they did say they were thinking about post-Infinity Wars. And I think a lot of the MCU actors really don't want/can't continue making them for close to another decade or so. It would make sense to do 'next generation' thing post-IW and move the focus.

Date: 2015-11-06 09:37 pm (UTC)
silverhammerman: (Default)
From: [personal profile] silverhammerman
Is the timeline thing actually that much of a problem aside from with Cassie Lang? Wiccan and Speed have always been such a continuity hole that I expect a revamped origin in any case (Perhaps the result of recreating the artificial superpowers of Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch, with no other connection to Wanda) and none of the other characters are explicitly tied to anyone's timeline.

As much as I'd be excited to see the MCU actually progressing the continuity I don't seriously expect Marvel to phase out the big characters (we're definitely getting to the point when Marvel has to choose whether or not to emulate a semi-static status quo), more likely they just fade into the background for a few movies before quietly replacing the actors. Young Avengers would be a great fit for TV or Netflix though, and I'd be pretty pumped to see it.
Edited Date: 2015-11-06 09:38 pm (UTC)

Date: 2015-11-05 06:22 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] astrakhan42
This book is truly fantastic. I probably wouldn't have thought about it except for a) the concept is pretty interesting in a bonkers way and b) King's "Omega Men" is so good.

Date: 2015-11-05 06:22 am (UTC)
lieut_kettch: (Default)
From: [personal profile] lieut_kettch
I'd love to see Tommy and BIlly meet Viv and VIn.

Date: 2015-11-05 08:32 am (UTC)
baihu: (Default)
From: [personal profile] baihu
Gotta wonder if Billy knows about this anyway. He met Vision on-panel once, and he doesn't even communicate as much with Wanda as before so it's probably even less with Vision. I think Tommy just decided to go solo post-Children's Crusade and never really bothered keeping in touch with Billy either.

Oddly, a future version of Vision's appearing in New Avengers #4 or #5, along with the future-Avengers team Ewing showed at the end of Ultron Forever. And I asked Ewing if it was a Vision from the same timeline and it was.

So if Billy knows about all this, and meets future-Vision...hm...

Date: 2015-11-06 12:17 am (UTC)
icon_uk: (Default)
From: [personal profile] icon_uk
Oh the playdates would be quite something, wouldn't they! :)

Date: 2015-11-06 03:29 am (UTC)
jekylls_salvation: (Default)
From: [personal profile] jekylls_salvation
Tommy and Billy are so yesterday. Also I was under the impression that Vision took on a mentor role to them rather than a fatherly one, due to their unique situation.

Date: 2015-11-06 04:31 am (UTC)
baihu: (Default)
From: [personal profile] baihu
AFAIK, Vision met Billy at the end of Avengers Assemble Annual 2013, but what was actually discussed between them was off-panel. He's never shown to have met Tommy on-panel I think.

Though in the non-canonical game Marvel Heroes 2015, if there's a player using the Wiccan (which due to limitations, is actually a 'skin' for the base Wanda character), and is in proximity to another player using Vision, there are some quips between them which is a nice nod.

Date: 2015-11-05 06:56 am (UTC)
flint_marko: (Default)
From: [personal profile] flint_marko
Grim Reaper dead again? It must be Tuesday.

Date: 2015-11-05 01:13 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] dr_archeville
The scan above mentions Vizh (does anyone call him that anymore? In the comics, I mean?) based Virginia's mind on someone else's brain patterns. Does it say who? And did he do the same with Viv and Vin, base them on some existing person, or did he base theirs on a unique blend of his own and Virginia's?

Date: 2015-11-05 01:18 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] astrakhan42
He does mention that the kids are unique blends of his and Virginia's minds. Virginia's template isn't mentioned. It might be Wanda, but it could also be Alexis from Avengers AI... or Janet Van Dyne if he wants to make the Ultron family tree even more complicated.

Date: 2015-11-05 10:19 pm (UTC)
chalicother: Chalicothere (Default)
From: [personal profile] chalicother
I mean...it's probably Wanda...Marvel needs that MCU synergy.

Date: 2015-11-06 12:19 am (UTC)
icon_uk: (Default)
From: [personal profile] icon_uk
That's what Ctrl+Z is for

Date: 2015-11-06 03:26 am (UTC)
baihu: (Default)
From: [personal profile] baihu
Honestly that sorta would affirm it for me. Vision never gets over Wanda, not for long anyway. Heck the first time he had an emotion-wipe, it didn't stick, so I doubt it would again.

Plus, I'm trying to think who else it could be. Possibility of re-using the template for Jocasta that was based on Janet as mentioned, but that...would spin the family tree into a weird place that I can't even figure.

It's not just which woman it could be, how he'd have access to their brain templates is another question.

Date: 2015-11-06 03:39 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] long_silence
Maybe Virginia is based on Carol's brain patterns. She gets mindwiped enough that the Avengers really should keep them on file.

Date: 2015-11-06 03:32 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] jekylls_salvation
I think Marvel's made something that's hard to dislike here. And that's noteworthy.

Date: 2015-11-06 06:07 am (UTC)
selke: (Default)
From: [personal profile] selke
I've never had much interest in the Vision. This may have changed.

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