Ultimates #8

[history79]

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Comments

[captainbellman]

It feels weird for a writer whose work is so openly hostile to black people to create a story that slightly suggests the Nazi party wouldn't have been so bad if not for extraterrestrial assistance.

[captainbellman]

Also: you're probably as tired of reading this as I am of writing it, but the sheet contrast between even just the cinematic versions of the characters and these ones is baffling. What the hell is the point of Hawkeye if he's not remotely likeable?

And what's up with this creepy Pietro/Wanda relationship? Was Marvel so very desperate to tap into the rich, profitable seam of creepy twincest fetishists that other comics were ignoring?!

[jekylls_salvation]

It used to be Hawkeye wasn't likeable. He was always fighting with Cap and slapping She-Hulk's butt. I think Matt Fraction or Bendis or someone got their hands on him and decided to make him some kind of cool dad monstrosity with cute quirks or whatever. The general consensus on an excuse for this seems to be he was humbled/matured with age, and/or by dying or something.

Sometimes siblings fall in love. I think if they're being responsible, we should shame them for that, and I'm glad someone at some point decided to put some semblance of representation out there. Social justice is just so selective, you know?

[wizardru]

Personally, making the rise of the Nazis a function of alien interference cheapens the horror of them; it implies that rational people wouldn't have let the Nazis get that far without them. One of the most horrifying and chilling details of the Nazis is how they rose to power. Read Erik Larsen's "In the Garden of Beasts" for an on-the-ground account of 1930s Germany and you'll see LOTS of people raising the flags about them, but the general reaction was either 'oh, Hitler will flame out', 'They'll never let it go THAT far' and 'Oh, you must be exaggerating'.

Since I had dropped the Ultimates after the Hank/Jan incident in #6, I never saw any of this. Are all of these people Skrull/Chitauris? Parts of this are great and I can see how it they influenced the movies from a cinematic perspective. What I don't get is why everyone is a jackhole. One thing I'm not getting: if they were planning on killing everyone in the place to begin with, why even bother with the whole 'I'm here for an appointment, herp-derp YOU'VE SEEN THROUGH MY CLEVER RUSE!"

[jekylls_salvation]

Agreed 100%, it's gross.

Practically no one was a skrull or chitari in this.

To answer your question, I think people were going through an edgy Matrix phase at the time.