Wonder Woman #24 & #25 - Wonder Woman: The Movie-

[ozaline]

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"Waiting a while for a good Wonder Woman movie..." Oh it was so good, probably my favourite major studio superhero movie of the last 20 years.

Comments

[shadur]

Please don't consume the attorneys. Especially Hollywood ones. You don't know where they've been and you could catch something nasty.

[baroncognito]

Maybe it was just the theater I was in (but I doubt it because every other movie I've seen there was fine, and the trailers were fine), but it was oppressively grey. It hurt to watch for too long. I had to take breaks.

Also, I didn't care for the "using the lasso of truth on someone causes them pain." It literally turns the lasso into a torture device. Maybe some author can make that work, but making Wonder Woman a torturer goes entirely against what I believe to be her character.

Those were my two biggest gripes. For the most part, I liked it.

[joetuss]

The Lasso always came off as a threatening weapon to me. I mean, it FORCES you to tell the truth...about anything. It's mind rape .

[ozaline]

Not found of the lasso thing either. I didn't notice the grey so much (except the parts that were supposed to be: smoggy London, and No Man's Land.

I have a couple other minor gripes, but overall I thought it was very well done.

[shadur]

I recall during Rucka's run there's a throwaway line from her staff about a call from the ACLU involving a court case regarding her lasso and the fifth amendment, or something thereabouts.

... And, of course, there's the fact that she carries it almost *constantly* and rarely not in contact with it. I dunno about you, but I think that much self-honesty would fucking paralyze me...

[baroncognito]

Yeah, I understand there is an element of coercion to the lasso, I don't dispute that, but not everything that is coercive is rape.

It is certainly never treated like that in the comics or television shows.

I can see how you can do a lot of harm to someone by forcing them to tell the truth, but the closest to that Diana has ever seemed to come was when she used it on that angry guy in a cartoon and got him to admit that ge was jealous of her.

The lasso certainly doesn't seem like what Killgrave does.

There are moral and ethical dilemmas involved with the lasso, yes, but they only get worse when it becomes torture.

A lasso of truth that causes pain is unarguably torture. No matter how you use it.

I don't know. It just didn't seem necessary for them to add that in. It was never important to the plot that the lasso causes pain. It changes the whole tenor of the lasso.

[jlbarnett]

well, anytime it forces you to admit something you don't want to it's hurting you

[thosefew]

"I need to talk alone with Ms. Condero about appropriate attire. Just you, me, and my two giant naked apes."

Why are they there? Why are they naked? Why is having them in the room still considered being alone? It almost feels like a mafioso cutaway moment where the apes are the heavies.

[coldfury]

I didn't see it as him in pain, I thought he was just doing his best to resist it and the noises were him trying to prep for the lie. Like someone shouting to pump themselves up before they lift something heavy?

[ozaline]

I think it's a continuity error and that the Gorillas, who are always naked, also left the room. She did bring them for the impression they'd make, but she is actually confronting this woman for a different reason. She gives her a hug and tries to comfort her. She is a working mom, and alcoholic who resents Diana cause her kids seem to worship Diana while taking her for granted. That is our best plot that didn't make the scans.

[ozaline]

They outright said resistance was painful. It didn't seem severe though.

We should probably take further discussion to a dedicated thread though.

[bradygirl_12]

"Kill the men!"

So basically the Amazon part of the movie was the Nu52?

[lbd_nytetrayn]

I rather liked the line about a Justice League Antarctica chapter. Got a laugh out of me.

[toby_wan_kenobi]

I feel like I've seen depictions of people struggling to resist the lasso grimacing in the comics, and I'm not sure that it acting as a painless truth serum is much better - either way, your will is being overwhelmed or pushed aside, irresistibly.

(I haven't seen the movie yet, though - hoping to see it with my wife this week.)

The lasso is not something to be used lightly. Maybe that's something a writer could do an interesting arc with - why it matters that it is *Diana* who carries this weapon, and why the way she uses it matters.

You never hear anyone complaining about Batman dangling people off of rooftops, though...