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'It’s more difficult writing Hydra Steve, because he’s both extremely ruthless and a master strategist, and he’ll say anything to make his goals happen – even to himself. So every bit of conversation coming out of him is an attack, a probe, a test, an attempt to extract information. Every page of dialogue feels like I’m choreographing a fight.' - Al Ewing

Date: 2017-06-05 11:34 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] icon_uk
"He's smart that one, smarter than he lets on. If I did most of the talking... that means he did most of the listening"

Nicely ambiguous phrasing there! :)

I'll be interested to see how this plays out, which is a lot more than I can say about most of this Secret Empire stuff.

Date: 2017-06-06 07:38 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] shadowpsykie
when did Roberto become like... a master chess player? he's approaching Ozymandias levels of prep here.

Date: 2017-06-06 08:42 pm (UTC)
icon_uk: (Default)
From: [personal profile] icon_uk
Sometime between the end of his X-Force run and his re-introduction into X-treme X-Men I think, around the time he somehow became Lord Imperial of the Hellfire Club (a nonsensical position which apparently supercedes the Lord's Cardinal (because clearly naming all your ranks after chess pieces doesn't leave enough room for a previously unsuspected overlord) and he proved able to keep all the Inner Circle in line (Which given their power levels and degrees of brilliance/ruthlessness seems improbable at best)

Date: 2017-06-06 09:05 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] shadowpsykie
hmm cool. just curious. not saying anything against it, just curious when it started :D

Date: 2017-06-05 12:42 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] laughing_tree
Various creators have said that Marvel doesn't force books to tie into events, and when they do tie in its because the creative team chooses to.

Now, Ewing is the undisputed master of the event tie-in. He makes the event work *for* his book instead of the other way around, and he somehow finds a way to work them seamlessly into the ongoing narrative already established. But I wonder why he keeps doing them. Is it that he genuinely enjoys it, or do they actually improve sales?

Date: 2017-06-05 01:54 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] nyadnar17
This is just a guess, but I think its because Ewing's aesthetic is the same as mine when it comes to comics. Comics are a shared universe with a shared history. The joy of reading a comic is the balancing act they have to do between taking everything else into account and making sure readers who have never read anything else but the comic in front of them aren't lost.

Reading a Ewing comic is such a joy in large part because he almost never skips an event or ignores history. Hell at this point I think it make might his signature as a comic writer.

Date: 2017-06-05 02:36 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] astrakhan42
Maybe he's doing it as practice. It's clear as his assignments for Marvel grow that Ewing is on the shortlist for writing a major event in the future, and thus writing tie ins give him an opportunity to see how the mechanics of crossovers work.

Date: 2017-06-06 03:59 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] beyondthefringe
Ewing doing an event would be magnificent.

Date: 2017-06-05 02:54 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] shadowseeking
I have my doubts about the whole "doesn't force books to tie into events" thing. It sounds like a PR line. Or at least a "Sure you don't have to tie in but if you don't, we'll find a writer who will tie them in and you can take a break for a month or two."

Date: 2017-06-05 02:57 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] long_silence
As much as I love Ewing, I don't think his books are exactly setting the sales charts on fire

The event tie ins give his books temporary boosts in sales

Date: 2017-06-05 06:48 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] burkeonthesly
I don't know how anyone could have that conversation with Cap and not think from the second or third sentence in, "there is something deeply wrong with him right now."

Date: 2017-06-05 06:54 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] starwolf_oakley
Even characters who were never in the Avengers have to think "Cap usually isn't like this, no matter how serious."

Roberto looks suspicious of Cap's motives in a few panels.

Date: 2017-06-05 07:25 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] burkeonthesly

This is what I'm sayin'. I mean, it's Cap. It's Cap, and he's sneering dismissively about the administrative specialists being "the guys who get the coffee"? That's a big flashing neon sign that says "something is wrong with me, I'm really not myself."

Date: 2017-06-06 01:25 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] tcampbell1000
But the reason this works for me is that Roberto is not in a position to say that for sure. Someone like Tony would've subjected him to an EM scan after the "all it took was the flag" bit. But Roberto doesn't have that history with Steve. He knows about Cap's public persona, everyone does, but this is the first time they've met in the kind of behind-closed-doors meeting you have with your boss.

In his right mind, Steve's a WYSIWYG kind of guy. He's not someone with a well-loved public persona and unquestioned authority who abuses that and is a terror to work with in private. But if he were, he wouldn't be the first, you know?

Date: 2017-06-06 01:27 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] tcampbell1000
(That, and the fact that this is practically a master class in microaggressions.)

Date: 2017-06-06 01:44 am (UTC)
burkeonthesly: (Default)
From: [personal profile] burkeonthesly

Oh, it works for me, too. This reads, for me, as two very intelligent people locked in high-stakes, low-key social combat, and I rarely get to read two smart characters who are both being written as smart in the same situation.

Date: 2017-06-06 01:43 am (UTC)
thehood: (Default)
From: [personal profile] thehood
Roberto doesn't know Steve that intimately though.

Date: 2017-06-05 06:49 pm (UTC)
starwolf_oakley: (Default)
From: [personal profile] starwolf_oakley
No mention of how Roberto was also trained by Magneto and Cable?

Date: 2017-06-05 10:36 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] icon_uk
Heck, he was recruited by Xavier when Xavier was infested with a Brood Queen who was trying to find new mutants hosts for it's young, AND who has been in charge of oversight of the ruddy Hellfire Club.

He's not even a character I particularly like, but when it comes to innate distrust of authority figures (and with multiple redundancy failsafes to deal with same), you'd need to go quite a way to find someone better than Roberto DaCosta

Date: 2017-06-05 10:38 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] icon_uk
So, where DID Sunspot hide the nanotech that Cap doesn't think he has on him, do you think? The cup of tea he's drinking perhaps? (Cap might sweep the outside of body, but perhaps not his lower intestine)

Date: 2017-06-05 11:14 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lascoden
I feel like Hydra-Cap would be paranoid enough to test everything he eats/drinks, for fear of poison. Now, bugging his employees and facilities in case someone, for whatever reason, happened to say "Hail Hydra" out loud, seems like would be a good move. Especially considering the history of many of the employees.

Date: 2017-06-06 12:15 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] beyondthefringe
Yeah, I'm ready for Roberto to reveal next issue or whenever that he's still one step ahead of whatever is going on.

Date: 2017-06-06 02:05 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mastermahan
You know, an agent of AIM actually being an agent of Hydra has got to be the least surprising revelation ever.

Date: 2017-06-06 04:14 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] donnblake
I'm calling at least one more twist on that guy's loyalty before all is said and done.

Date: 2017-06-06 06:05 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] silicondream
Triple agent working for Damage Control.

Date: 2017-06-07 05:05 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] featheredserpent
He's actually working for Amanda Waller. One multiverse wasn't big enough for her to control.

Date: 2017-06-07 07:10 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] deh_tommy
Wait, didn't Doc Green try to cure all the other Hulks? How did Thunderbolt Ross get his powers back?

Date: 2017-06-07 07:43 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] malitia
If you asking how this Red Hulk came to be: Secret SHIELD experiments into Gamma enhancements (Hulkish powers).

But this Red Hulk isn't Thunderbolt Ross but Robert Maverick aka the jerk who thought making the American Kaiju is a good idea. :D

Date: 2017-06-08 05:59 am (UTC)
thehood: (Default)
From: [personal profile] thehood
That's not Ross, that's General Maverick.

Besides, gamma cures rarely last forever.

Date: 2017-06-07 12:23 pm (UTC)
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