Comics don’t rip off pop culture anywhere near enough any more. Krypto and Ace the Bat-Hound happened because of Lassie and Rin Tin Tin. Nick Fury, Agent of SHIELD happened because of James Bond and the Man from UNCLE. Comics used to omnivorously devour whatever was popular and make it part of the mix. Usually two years too late, but they were in there trying. Kung fu popular? Have some kung fu heroes! Blaxploitation? Gotcha covered. But at some point, greedily chasing trends started to be frowned on. And the Big Two comics got to be a lot more about maintaining the old stuff than chasing the new. I think that was a point when comics lost a lot of vitality. If Pokemon had happened in 1965, there’d be a Spider-Man villain today named Monsteroso, who hunted & trapped monsters he used to do crimes. -- Kurt Busiek

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Date: 2017-06-26 12:22 am (UTC)And that final scene is, of course, true to cats everywhere.
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Date: 2017-06-26 12:53 am (UTC)I dunno, doesn't sound like a Spider-Man villain. More like a team villain.
(Especially if he had six monsters of varying power and abilities...)
... actually kind of want to see that now.
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Date: 2017-06-26 02:34 am (UTC)The bug catchers with a team of Metapods OTOH....
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Date: 2017-06-26 01:00 am (UTC)During the early chapters, Kevin Yamagata, author of the very popular american comic "Billy Bat" is HORRIFIED to discover he MAY have accidentally ripped-off a mangaka back when he served the US Army in Japan (this is during the Cold War, btw), so he goes to Japan explicitly to find this author, apologize to them and ask permission to continue working on Billy Bat.
WHen he finds this guy (A clear homage to Osamu Tezuka), he apologizes, but they guy says there was no wrong-doing and explains that part of art comes from someone copying someone else.
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Date: 2017-06-26 09:04 am (UTC)By this measure, Avengers Arena didn't go far enough in imitating Battle Royale or that other one; it had none of the chillingly dystopian political satire which is the genre's lifeblood. So it just boiled down to another lazy tournament-type micro-event and grimmification for the sake of it.
Contrast that with Marvel Zombies, which did feel like a grotesque zombie flick in a Marvel context. I know Zombies isn't quite loved around here, on account of its appeal to shock value and it being dragged on longer than it should; but I'd still rate it above average, and certainly much better than Arena.
(You know what I'd like to see? Marvel Lovecraft. Shuma-Gorath is already there; just run with it and elevate him into something worthy of the adjective 'Lovecraftian'. Dr. Strange is the natural fit for that; and his natural isolation from the rest of the MU means that the inevitable existential despair would be self-contained, avoiding contaminating the heroism of the normal titles. I have to stop now before I go ahead and start a fanfic series.)
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Date: 2017-06-26 04:45 pm (UTC)I mean, the bleakness of Lovecraft is antithetical to the normal messaging of superhero comics, that good can overcome evil no matter how powerful.
didn't Hawkgirl smack down a Cthulhu analog (albeit with help) in JLU?
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Date: 2017-06-26 09:47 am (UTC)It's a rare balance.
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Date: 2017-06-26 06:44 pm (UTC)For example, from "the Nearness of You", we know the Astro City universe had at least one big "Crisis" style event that changed some minor historical events. But rather then focus on that, the story focuses on the story of one civilian who's life was radically changed by that event, without anyone noticing.
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Date: 2017-06-26 12:24 pm (UTC)That said, part of what makes it good is the ability to focus on one book at their pace. Astro City the setting couldn't be blown up to DC/Marvel size without getting into a lot of similar issues.
(And I'd personally put the batting average of the big two well above Avatar- Avatar has some good books but a lot don't seem to try for more than shock)
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Date: 2017-06-26 03:21 pm (UTC)Like the vibe here, only kittified. :)
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