Date: 2017-07-14 01:18 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] icon_uk
Since when is Magik a spellcaster on Earth-616?

In Limbo, yes, absolutely, but on Earth her only powers were one bout of astral projection and her soul sword's ability to break spells. I always took that to mean that her Limbo magic is just non-compatible with any school of Earth magic.

Date: 2017-07-14 01:26 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] long_silence
During Bendis' run she time travelled to before AvX and spent time as Doctor Strange's apprentice so that she could control her mystical powers even while on Earth

Date: 2017-07-14 01:37 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] icon_uk
Ah thank you... seems to miss the point of the character a bit, but never mind.

Date: 2017-07-14 02:58 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] jlbarnett
well, they've ben screwing with her character for years.

Date: 2017-07-14 03:08 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] nyadnar17
I have nothing to say about that "situation" that not negative so instead I will just say I agree with your expressed thoughts on the matter.

Date: 2017-07-14 03:31 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] shadowpsykie
eh I don't mind. it means she can do more. Maybe her powers are more powerful on Limbo, since it's her land, and here they are weaker. I like her being able to do more, and makes her name AND lineage more accurate.

Date: 2017-07-14 10:39 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] icon_uk
Being more powerful is never as interesting to me as being limited but creative. Most of my favourites are not the powerful ones, but the ones who do more with less.

Date: 2017-07-14 04:09 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] onsokumaru
Eferything that gives Illyana some link outside of the X-Men is good in my book.
Hopefully, one day she'll be able to escape from them, Like Sam and Berto did.

Date: 2017-07-14 04:14 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] bruinsfan
She always had limited spellcasting capabilities even on earth (remember she was casting protective wards around buildings as early as the Demon Bear saga), but in Limbo or when manifesting her darkchilde form they'd get upgraded to Belasco's level.

Date: 2017-07-14 10:30 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] icon_uk
True, but her use of magic on Earth was limited to about three issues before they decided that she'd have the sword and no more on Earth, and they stuck to that for decades.

Date: 2017-07-15 12:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] daningram.insanejournal.com
To be fair, developing further powers is a mutant thing, New Mutant especially.

Date: 2017-07-14 10:56 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] gnarll
Um... since always? Remember in the old New Mutants when they thought the X-Men was dead, and it was Forges fault? Illyana went off to get her pound of flesh for her brother, and the New Mutants rushed to save her because Forge was a master Magus . And they arrived to find Illyana kicking the s..t out of Forges defenses in his place of power? And that time Magneto got a glimpse of Illyanas cuddly toys not actually being toys? And the Demon Bear trying to break her wards around the operating room? Dispelling the Baba Yaga imitating Demons spells at Xaviers?

Illyanas thing was that her magic style was black, and she did not care to use it more than absolutely necessary, stuff like making herself immune to telepathy and presumably hiding her vast Playgirl collection.

Date: 2017-07-14 03:35 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mastermahan
Oh, so Shiro had to mind controlled into fighting against the fascists who are doing evil shit like leveling Las Vegas?

*sigh*

Could we please stop going back to the "X-Men are self-centered isolationists" beat please?

Date: 2017-07-14 04:16 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] bruinsfan
To be fair, Yashida's been a self-centered isolationist as far back as I can remember. Not an X-Men thing, just a Sunfire thing.

Date: 2017-07-14 06:15 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] leoboiko
The White Queen at least doesn't seem to happy with being forced into isolation.

Date: 2017-07-14 08:44 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] long_silence
He didn't seem to mind fighting against Hydra in Secret Warriors. He helped rescue the Inhumans from a crashing helicarrier

I'm not sure why Sunfire is here in New Tian instead of fighting Hydra in Japan

Date: 2017-07-14 11:03 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] gnarll
Or why Ock isn't a greasy stain of carbon trying to fight someone that far outside his weightclass.

Date: 2017-07-15 12:32 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] long_silence
He has all of Peter's powers now

So I assume that includes an "Octopus-sense"

Date: 2017-07-15 02:15 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] matrix_dragon
Because Marvel continues to deny me my dream. :(

Date: 2017-07-16 07:42 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] q99
I assume it's more 'mind controlled into doing it into a straightforward, blatantly obvious way and get caught.' He's a straightforward person but he's not *dumb*.

Date: 2017-07-14 04:21 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] bruinsfan
Wait, Wanda is possessed by Chthon again, and it's working for Nazi Cap as a flunky? My already subterranean opinion of this event just burrowed lower.

Date: 2017-07-14 05:20 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] thehood
Oh, yeah. It doesn't make any sense.

Date: 2017-07-14 07:02 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] thanekos
The implicit logic seems to be " HYDRA has the Darkhold = HYDRA has Chthon ".

(It would be something if the climax of Secret Empire had it turn out to be the other way round.)

Date: 2017-07-14 10:32 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] icon_uk
Supercharged and not in her right mind Wanda being pivotal to the culmination of a crossover event should be just BANNED for a couple of decades.

Date: 2017-07-15 12:51 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] thehood
Especially since the recent Scarlet Witch book was about Wanda moving past this sorta thing.

Date: 2017-07-15 07:04 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] full_metal_ox
Do you wonder if she might be aware, on some dim subconscious level, that the writers have been screwing up her existence by using her as a Get-Out-Of-Continuity-Free card?

Date: 2017-07-14 11:06 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] gnarll
Chthon on earth, and Chthon in control of Wanda both ought to be apocalyptic problems even separately.

Date: 2017-07-14 09:31 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] donnblake
Hmm. I thought Emma couldn't use her telepathy when in diamond form? How is she controlling Xorn? I suppose since he's not doing anything there, she might have just zonked him out for the duration.

Date: 2017-07-14 09:41 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] shakalooloo
Yeah, and isn't Xorn's helmet one of those Magneto-style helmets (patent pending) that blocks telepathy?

Date: 2017-07-14 10:34 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] icon_uk
Only if that's actually Xorn in an actual Xorn helmet, rather than a handy puppet for Emma.

Date: 2017-07-15 04:56 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] donnblake
Ooh, conspiracy, it's actually Cyclops.

Date: 2017-07-14 10:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] daningram.insanejournal.com
My question is, why are the mutants following Xorn in the first place? He's a stranger to most

Date: 2017-07-14 10:35 pm (UTC)
icon_uk: (Default)
From: [personal profile] icon_uk
Maybe Emma has used her abilities to make everyone THINK they know and trust Xorn?

Date: 2017-07-14 10:33 pm (UTC)
icon_uk: (Default)
From: [personal profile] icon_uk
She can't, she's got telepathy, or diamond form, never both at the same time.

She does appear to be holding some sort of mysterious crystal in that last image (fragment of a Cosmic Cube perhaps) so that might be involved.

Date: 2017-07-15 12:34 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] his_spiffynesss
I'm not even certain how many of these cube fragments are floating around. It seems like everybody has one.

Date: 2017-07-16 07:44 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] q99
Telepathic manipulation doesn't have to be done constantly- just use it to make someone loyal and then turn it off and the loyalty remains.

Date: 2017-07-15 05:13 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] arilou_skiff
Okay, I love Shaw's pose in that team shot. "Let us have a good boxing max sirs!"

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