Date: 2017-08-08 01:19 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] reveen
Is that lady supposed to be an over the top parody of a hippie feminist? Cause... uh... she's right.

Date: 2017-08-08 02:30 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] captainbellman
I think someone gave Ennis that memo - she was a lot less rational in subsequent appearances.

Date: 2017-08-08 06:48 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] starwolf_oakley
These days she's say "patriarchy" instead of "phallocentric approach to society." Or would she?

Date: 2017-08-08 01:47 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] leoboiko
The ugly cannibal-redneck stereotype played verbatim. I suppose it wasn't so overdone back then, but in retrospect, it's kind of depressing how blind I could be to the inherent prejudice in it.

Author of Enough Already

I always forget these things have been going on for so long.

Date: 2017-08-08 02:06 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] cyberghostface
Going to take a wild guess but I doubt AMC will have one of the show's heroes rape the show's heroine.

Date: 2017-08-08 04:04 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] alicemacher
To refer to Cassidy as one of the "heroes" of Preacher is to misread the series entirely. I know you dislike Ennis's writing, but some fairness is called for. The same fairness you yourself ask of people who misrepresent Frank Miller.

Date: 2017-08-08 04:19 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] cyberghostface
I'm going off of what I've read and heard. At minimum there's a difference in how Ennis treats Cassidy who apparently gets a big redemption moment at the end versus a character like Starr who gets raped, mutilated and humiliated throughout the series before getting his head blown off.

Which is not to say I don't doubt Ennis intended this to be horrible here (as opposed to Starr getting raped; "Lolol he got it up the choccy starfish! Now Starr can only get turned on he's buggered! Eh, readers?").
Edited Date: 2017-08-08 04:56 pm (UTC)

Date: 2017-08-08 06:53 pm (UTC)
alicemacher: Lisa Winklemeyer from the webcomic Penny and Aggie, c2004-2011 G. Lagacé, T Campbell (Default)
From: [personal profile] alicemacher
Fair enough. As I've said before, I certainly agree with you on the deplorable use of rape as a plot element in Starr's case.

As for Cassidy, well, I won't go into detail yet about what happens with him at the end because we'll get there eventually, but for now I'll just say that Cassidy gets a chance at redemption at the end. What he makes of that chance is left up to the reader's imagination.

Date: 2017-08-08 07:03 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] cyberghostface
FWIW I wasn't intending to come off as indicting Ennis but rather AMC and how they generally tone stuff like this down like they have in The Walking Dead (see: the entirety of the Governor/prison siege storyline). Although to be fair to them even HBO has softened stuff from Game of Thrones in regards to some of the characters' more deplorable actions.
Edited Date: 2017-08-08 07:06 pm (UTC)

Date: 2017-08-08 08:00 pm (UTC)
alicemacher: Lisa Winklemeyer from the webcomic Penny and Aggie, c2004-2011 G. Lagacé, T Campbell (Default)
From: [personal profile] alicemacher
I apologize for misunderstanding what you said.

Re the difference in how Preacher treats Cassidy and Starr: I think Cassidy gets a chance at redemption because although he has a history of doing terrible things since he became a vampire, he does feel remorse after doing them. Sadly, as the comic proceeds to show regarding his past and present actions, that remorse doesn't keep him very long from doing terrible things again. But the remorse is there, and thus keeps alive the chance he'll wise up. Even apart from that, we've seen that he can and does perform selfless acts such as protecting Jesse from the Grail by claiming to be him (that he's especially bad at impersonating Jesse is irrelevant).

Starr, in contrast, is never portrayed as ever having possessed a conscience, nor the willingness to perform a single purely altruistic act. As we saw in the special One Man's War, his motivation for joining the Grail was not, as his recruiter believed, to create a world in which children would no longer be killed in a crossfire because children are innocent and vulnerable. Rather, he wanted to create a world in which children would no longer be thus killed because such a death is random and chaotic, and the world must have absolute order--with guess who in charge. "And I'd kill ten million little girls to do it." To get a chance at redemption, he'd have to somehow become imbued with something he's never had: a soul.

So why did Ennis make Starr a buttmonkey? Two wild guesses, neither of which may be right: First, he wanted to explore the comedy potential of someone so pathologically obsessed with order, reason and planning have a succession of chaotic, crazy and unpredictable misfortunes happen to him. Second, he wanted to show how easily a person's cause--especially that of an extremist--can be subject to motive decay. Starr begins the series as a cold, calculating rationalist wanting to establish a world of absolute, dependable order. He ends the series as a deranged, reckless fool motivated by a single goal: killing Jesse Custer. And he's willing to destroy the Grail itself to do so. What could bring about such a change? That's where his arc comes in.
Edited Date: 2017-08-08 08:02 pm (UTC)

Date: 2017-08-09 12:21 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] miramira
A press secretary fired for making wildly offensive comments during an actual press conference? How quaint.


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