Date: 2018-01-28 07:05 pm (UTC)
crinos: (Default)
From: [personal profile] crinos
Yeah, and a reminder that this storyarc is the culminaiton of the entire President Luthor Subplot. Keep that in mind.

Date: 2018-01-28 07:10 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] trooper924
Superman/Batman is one of those series that I liked back when I first read it, but nowadays don't really care for it. And I can't quite put my finger on why though. I think it's the dialogue. There's something about it that just seems off to me....

Date: 2018-01-28 08:48 pm (UTC)
an_idol_mind: (Default)
From: [personal profile] an_idol_mind
Jeph Loeb writes comics kinda like action movies - they entertain on a casual read-through but fail to hold up when scrutinized more closely.

Action movies are tailored to the theater experience, so the plot holes just have to remain unnoticed for the hour and a half the audience is watching them. Comics have inherent re-readability, which means that any charm found in stuff like this fades quickly.

Date: 2018-01-28 07:15 pm (UTC)
lordultimus: (Default)
From: [personal profile] lordultimus
Damn that cave-in, they were finally gonna kiss!

Date: 2018-01-28 07:34 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] scorntx
I'd ask why John Stewart, Starfire, Katana, Power Girl and Captain Atom are suddenly stupid enough to trust, listen and obey Lex Luthor, but I know the answer for most of them is "because Jeph Loeb".
And in John and Nate's case, it's because they're ex-military, and as we all know, when you're military, you're a spineless chump who does whatever you're told, regardless of how evil and insane the person giving the orders obviously is.

Never mind any of the other things about this... rrggg... urge to rant, rising...

Date: 2018-01-28 08:07 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] locuatico
Captain Atom I can buy he would (maybe reluctantly) agree to work with Luthor.

Date: 2018-01-28 08:20 pm (UTC)
lordultimus: (Default)
From: [personal profile] lordultimus
I think Captain Atom: Armageddon tried to explain to him because he was in a bad place thanks to his marriage disintegrating.

Date: 2018-01-28 08:46 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] roxas832
Starfire is such as random choice... Have the bubbly good natured alien work for a corrupt government official... Also, why is Luthor stupid enough to try and enlist one of Superman's Kyrptonian family members to take him out? Forget it being out of character for Karen, it's a stupid move for Lex.

Date: 2018-01-28 08:51 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] scorntx
At this point, Karen was still treated as an Atlantean (with bits of her original origin sneaking in here and there thanks to Geoff Johns).

Date: 2018-01-28 10:19 pm (UTC)
ozaline: (Default)
From: [personal profile] ozaline
Karen's actually a double agent (so is Katana), so yeah Lex is beig stupid, but he's also hopped up on a Kryptonite derived drug.

Date: 2018-01-28 09:00 pm (UTC)
crinos: (Default)
From: [personal profile] crinos
Forget working for Luthor, why were any of these people okay with working with Major Force. The man who MURDERED A WOMAN AND STUFFED HER INTO A FRIDGE.

I mean... did Kyle just not tell anyone about that? You think that would be something he would bring up at some point.

Date: 2018-01-28 09:04 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] scorntx
-did Kyle just not tell anyone about that?-

You'd think John at the very least would know, given he... y'know, works with Kyle.

Date: 2018-01-29 02:34 am (UTC)
crinos: (Default)
From: [personal profile] crinos
I know for certain Hal knows at least. When he fights Major force in the Battle for Bludhaven mini he brings it up and whacks Force with an energy fridge (which seems kind of in poor taste if you ask me, but then again this IS Hal we're talking about...)

Date: 2018-01-28 09:24 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] balbanes
They don't all trust Luthor. IIRC, some of them are double agents.

Date: 2018-01-29 12:09 am (UTC)
zylly: (Default)
From: [personal profile] zylly
I think this still holds up reasonably well (I like the interplay between Clark and Bruce a lot under Loeb's pen), but I do agree that it doesn't blow me away like it used to.

And besides the "buy a sense of humor" line makes me giggle.

I also like the visual call back to the Super-stooge of Dark Knight Returns with Captain Atom there.

Date: 2018-02-01 04:40 pm (UTC)
thatnickguy: Oreo-lovin' Martian (Default)
From: [personal profile] thatnickguy
I don't think Loeb's run holds up overall, but it had good moments like the "buy a sense of humor." The line about Superman not seeing himself as a god while shooting fire from space (I'm paraphrasing) is another.

Date: 2018-02-01 11:56 pm (UTC)
zylly: (XKCD)
From: [personal profile] zylly
That's a good way to put it. It's aggregate of dumb plots punctuated by quippy lines and sometimes good character moments.


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