Heroes in Crisis #9

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[elilla]

Ok all's well that end well, but……… isn't that rationale a little bit weird? Flash shouldn't sacrifice himself because… "bros before heroes"? Shouldn't it be because heroic sacrifice is a means, not an end; that you don't become a hero by virtue of sacrifice, but rather you're willing to do the right thing, and that sometimes costs sacrifices? Which implies that sacrificing just for the sake of it is silly, and you can and should avoid hurting yourself when there's a better solution, and in this case there's a better solution?

[laughing_tree]

They go into that a bit in some of the unposted pages.

[lordultimus]

Ummm... Wasn't the whole point that losing Linda and the kids was something that was wrong with reality that needed to be fixed?

[mizerous]

...How bad is it that Daredevil could tell a story of a hero accidentally killing someone in a more human and real tone than this...

[onsokumaru]

This is the kind of thing that makes me stay away from DC. Not that Marvel is better. It's just that I'm glad I've never read enough DC to grew attached to all the characters featured in that mini.

Most people are complaining about Wally being ruined.
But trying to think what it would be like as a Marvel comics, I'd say maybe Miles Morales would be in Wally's shoes.
And most readers would say "poor Miles, he is ruined", but he would still be alive and get his own ongoing and writers would talk about him, about where he is going now, all that.
While his victims, let's say Finesse, Prodigy, Anthem, el Aguila, Jackpot, Turbo, Century... would stay dead and almost nobody would talk/care about it.

So I figure if I was a DC reader, I would probably be sad about Wally, but I would mostly be pissed that Kid Devil, Blue Jay and others goy killed to provide him Important-character Pain

[deh_tommy]

Poison Ivy is not Swamp Thing, and I'm not sure I appreciate this series in trying to make her Swamp Thing.

Cripes, I didn't like this book. Everyone comes out worse for wear.

[zachbeacon]

Yep, they've pulled a Speedball/Penance.

I wonder how Wally's best friend, Dick Grayson, will react to all this.

Oh right, never mind.

[crinos]

So.... still pretending this never happened.

[lucean]

So I give it four years before they Parallax the hell out of this.

[tripodeca113]

Huh. Well that certainly was an ending.

[flint_marko]

It's the little things, but I like how they allude to Maxwell Lord shooting Ted, Terra betraying the Titans, or Kimiyo Hoshi being Dr. Light (with the implication she was upset about using the name because the original was a rapist), like any of that is still canon.

And they're still using Sanctuary, despite how well that worked the last time when they decided to not use actual therapists to help the heroes?

Just crap.

[shadwing]

The Cynic in me is wondering if King got Dick shot JUST to be sure he wouldn't be 'in the way' of this story.

[informationgeek]

After this has all ended, I come back to thinking about this interview with Tom King recently. One quote from it jumps out:

"As I've said many times before, I don't pick the characters for my story; I give my plot to the editors and then the editors pick the characters for me. So I told them in the beginning, "this is what it's going to be -- it's going to be about one hero who's made a mistake and it's going to be about the two heroes that get framed for that mistake." And they said, "okay, it's Booster, Harley, and Wally, those are the three characters.""

[janegray]

This.

They say "nobody stays dead in comics." But minor characters very much do.

[spider_man6]

Gonna bet at least a year and a half before they retcon any of this to make the fans happy.

[flint_marko]

I knew the c-listers killed off were just characters he picked from a list DC gave him, but wow.

[zachbeacon]

Its the bit about them being "family" that gets me. They aren't Titans, speedsters, or his actual relatives (seriously, where is Barry?). They're two guys who were in the American branch of the JLI when he was in the European one*, his buddy's ex, and two semi-reformed Batman villains. He barely knows these people.

*And Wally, Lois, and Clark seem to be the only ones who remember that continuity anyway.

[ebailey140]

It's a story thread that started in Swamp Thing and Damage. The Parliament of Trees isn't happy with Alec and wants a more warlike Avatar of the Green that they have more control over. Pam refuses to be controlled, but Alec thinks the Parliament will keep trying, that Pam has some trials ahead of her. She has someone to keep her grounded, though.

As for this series, I expect it will read better as a single collection. The Robins had some nice moments, this issue, and Cass said what Cass would say under the circumstances. The folks who want Harley back with the Joker are REALLY not going to like this series.

Wally came out worse for wear.

[flint_marko]

Of all the people who've had a problem with this series, I think the Harley/Joker shippers are at the bottom of the list.

[locuatico]

So... were any of the deaths prevented? or are they still dead? because my dislike of the series will be different depending of the outcome.

[flint_marko]

Only Ivy and Wally.

[lordultimus]

Of course, King ignores that Pam actually killed people in that storyline.

[ebailey140]

Wasn't that the Bat editors? King doesn't write Nightwing. The impression I got from this issue is that King wants to write the Bat family as a family, including Jason, and that they should pay more attention to their kid sisters.

[ebailey140]

How so? Pam is the love of Harley's life, now. According to the Harley/Joker shippers, she's supposed to be still all about the Joker with Pam just a fling.

[ebailey140]

You don't think it will be Dr. Manhattan's meddling, like in the next couple of months?