The Flash #750

[lordultimus]

Comments

[shadowpsykie]

I miss Miguel... :(

[jlbarnett]

I think this looks pretty good

[nyadnar17]

I don't understand....like I get thats kinda the point....but man I don't understand whats going on. I have no idea whats real, whats not, whats reconned and what isn't.

[janegray]

Same.

All I'm getting is that, maybe, Dick didn't found the Titans anymore, and possibly the Dick/Wally/Donna version of the Titans doesn't exist anymore, and now the Titans were founded by Tim/Bart/Cassie/Kon. Maybe.

Which, if true, sucks.

[scorntx]

What happened is that the Dick / Wally / Donna Titans was formed, then Doctor Manhattan futzed with reality, so it unhappened.
In the New 52 version of reality, the Titans were founded by Tim / Not-Bart / Cassie.
Then just before Rebirth started Dick, Donna and Roy remembered they'd founded the Titans and Kon got erased from everyone's memories so apparently the Lobdell Titans didn't happen anymore and er...
Hmm. I think my head's just exploded.

[icon_uk]

And just to confuse matters, the "forgetting the original Teen Titans ever existed" was down to Abra-Kadabra wanting revenge on Wally. If it's transferred to Doctor Manhattan then it's all gone weird again

[scorntx]

It has, in fact, all gone weird again.
Especially since the Abra Kadabra Did It angle seems to have been ignored / forgotten.
(I mean, there were hints he was just Doc's catspaw or something, but... oy...)

[zachbeacon]

Didn't a previous retcon pin the blame on Jor-El?

[icon_uk]

Did it? I admit I had completely forgotten the whole Mr Oz debacle.

Did ANYTHING ever come of that?

[zachbeacon]

I think it was mostly a misdirect (everyone assumed Oz was Ozymandias but it was really Superman's dad... somehow).

How many people have been blamed for Flashpoint and/or the Nu52 anyway? Reverse Flash, Barry, Kadabra, Mister Twister*, Jor-El,, Doctor Manhattan and I'm sure I'm forgetting someone.

*I think maybe he just made everyone forget the original Titans.

(I still don't completely understand the whole thing with the two Supermen both being the same Superman)

[leahandillyana]

It would have been more convenient to just throw away everything labelled New 52 and continue all the stories dropped with Flashpoint. A simple if drastic solution. Instead, we got this massive tumor that is current DC.

[zachbeacon]

Not to beat a dead horse or anything but the decision to have Bruce Wayne and Hal Jordan be basically the same people with basically the same history (but slightly younger) while EVERYONE around them either changed drastically or ceased to exist* is baffling. Either do a complete reboot or don't.

*Which means the Batfamily and GLs CAN'T have the same history.

[starwolf_oakley]

ZERO HOUR had the idea "The Crisis on Infinite Earths never stopped happening."

INFINITE CRISIS said "If the Crisis hasn't happened, Kyle Rayner and Helena Bertinelli would be on a different Earth from the other heroes."

Perhaps GENERATION ZERO will continue those ideas.

Nothing about Hypertime though. That never really caught on.

[scorntx]

Hypertime still gets the occasional nod, such as in Dark Knights: Metal.

[matrix_dragon]

As someone truly sick of DC constantly burning down its timeline every week... This looks like it could be kinda fun.

[lbd_nytetrayn]

It's funny how the DC Universe's ultimate narrative has been about how they can't keep their narrative consistent.

[mastermahan]

It's not a bug, it's a feature!

[thanekos]

The corporate properties are settling into a state again, fan. Become ready to consume more transient slop.

[silverhammerman]

Truly love that that was the ultimate message of Doomsday Clock, one totally in keeping with the morally and creatively bankrupt nature of the series and Johns' latter day career as a whole.

[scorntx]

What are the suspicious looking chunks? Are those clumsy retcons, or is it just metacommentary?