Amazing Spider-Man #50.LR

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[cainofdreaming]

Wasn't this Kafka cloned by Dr Malus in the Ravenscroft series, rather than during Clone Conspiracy?

[cyberghostface]

No the last issue showed that she was a leftover clone from U Technologies.

[cainofdreaming]

Yeah, seems like I misremembered. Osborn found her, Malus just faked the tests so she wouldn't be revealed as a clone.

[deh_tommy]

Now did she avoid turning into a Carrion?

[tcampbell1000]

Eh, I'll say it: this is an interesting Norman, an interesting role for MJ, an interesting idea. Most post-Conway treatments of Norman have almost forgotten all the struggling he did in the Stan Lee days, the good man briefly glimpsed between bouts of madness, and this is a pretty ingenious way to bring some of that energy back. I'm still not sure that's Harry, but we'll get there when we get there.

[silverhammerman]

I’m on the same page with you about post-Conway takes on Norman Osborn, but I wonder if it’s too late to try to get back to that more troubled/nuanced characterization. We’ve had more than two decades now of Norman Osborn as a dumber and more sadistic Lex Luthor, including, I think, some retcons to his prior characterization indicating that he was always “really” like that.

I like the idea, but it seems deeply out of step with the way Norman Osborn has been built up for a long, long time now.

[arilou_skiff]

I always liked his Thunderbolts characterization, tbh. Where he is still a nasty, cruel, etc. person when relatively sane, but the insane murderhobo is a problem he is trying to deal with.

Like, when stable he is still far from a good person, but sane enough that he is at least... human.

[shakalooloo]

Unfortunately, after Ellis' interpretation we had Bendis dial all of that up to eleven with Dark Reign, and then that became his canon personality.

[cyberghostface]

He’s only like this because Sin-Eater blasted him so now he’s cleaned of his bad side.

[silverhammerman]

Oh, that makes more sense then, I missed that context. Not a bad workaround, though it probably being extremely temporary, as in until the end of this arc, kind of undercuts things. I certainly wouldn’t protest if it stuck around though.

[tcampbell1000]

Well, absolutely, which is why anything short of the mystical "sin-cleansing" he's gotten wouldn't have been plausible to get him here. I guess what I'm saying is that I'm here for a Norman who's NOT just a dumber, more sadistic Luthor for a bit.

[silverhammerman]

Hard agree there, the whole arch-villain characterization has never quite worked for me, and casting Norman Osborn as a remorseful supervillain on the other side of a years-long free fall could be a fun way of getting back to his roots, even if it is probably temporary.

[superfangirl1]

This it’s not going to turn out well. Isn’t it?