Avengers #38

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[thanekos]

" I'll be nice, Winthrop - I won't ask for the thumbs. But if you offer, I'll take them. "

[lordnorj]

Is Mephisto messing around with time travel? because that the only thing that explains how teen Thanos is fighting the BC Avenger nearly a million years before he was born.

[cricharddavies]

The notion of Mephisto as having his origins as a fly consuming the remains of a space god is a nice nod to the idea that the concept of Gehenna, from which the Christian tradition inherited its concept of Hell, may have arisen from Jerusalem's garbage dump in the Vale of Hinnom, but the rest of this is just dumb.

[thezmage]

When/how did the really old Avengers get a Hulk?

[lordultimus]

That's a Starbrand.

[mastermahan]

Yep. I was confused too. He's not usually drawn as looking exactly like Red Hulk.

[themajesticmoose]

Mephisto and Reverse Flash are in some kind of contest to see which of them can make the most convoluted and ridiculous claim about how they were responsible for everything aren't they

[lordnorj]

Kang has them both beat.

[themajesticmoose]

Kang is a minimum of like three or four seperate people in the Marvel universe at this point, no one stands a chance against that...

[scorntx]

Well, let's see, with Kang we've got...

Causing Apocalypse.
Helping build the Human Torch.
Making Iron Man a jerk (and causing some of Operation: Galactic Storm).
And helping found the Young Avengers.

[coldfury]

I didn't like it when they tried to make a proto-Avengers set between WWII and when the Avengers formed up, and I don't like '1 Million Year Old Avengers'.

What's next, the Fantastic Four of 1 Million BC?

[silicondream]

If it involves four people test-flying an experimental vehicle called a "boat," and then gaining superpowers due to saltwater exposure, I'm all for it.

[mastermahan]

I don't know, Jeff Parker writing the Agents of Atlas made them pretty awesome.

But I'll toss the First X-Men onto the pyre of unnecessary continuity implants. "Pre-Adamantium Wolverine and Sabretooth founded the first X-Men" was and is pretty stupid.

[bravest_spinja]

It's a fairly logical extrapolation of the legacy/multiple/alts that's been the trend with Marvel over the last decade.

[donnblake]

The Invaders of Troy?

Aztec New Mutants?

Renaissance Humongonauts?

[dan_ingram]

Yeah, trying to tie the origin of a million different genres into one event wasn't that great in Earth X, and isn't much better now.

[bruinsfan]

There weren't flies four billion years ago. There weren't multicellular organisms at all, or even single-celled organisms. I'm actually not sure if this infected/dying Celestial retcon is supposed to be happening before or after the Elder Gods arose as the first ethereal life on the planet four billion years ago. And Mephisto was established as ignorant of Atum/Demogorge and how it ended the era of the Elder Gods way back in Thor Annual #10, so he sure as hell hasn't been around watching since before then.

[gnarll]

Ok.
1: Multicellular life is about 1 600 million years old. Insects originated a bit less than 500 million years ago. Various kinds of flies maybe 200 million years ago. This is a bit of a nitpick, sure. But its such an easy thing to get right. 2-3 minutes on google. And I am prettu sure interest for such things overlaps much more with comic book readers that the average person.

Meaning that a lot of the readers will actually know about these things. And its very clear that the writer does not, and does not bother to spend the least effort on finding out.

2. The human species, with cavemen etc goes back about 300 000 years. 1 million years ago there was basically varieties of Homo Erectus, and the occasional Habilis and Australopithecus derivative. Same issue as above, but I suppose a bit more leeway is in order because Marvel hominid evolution is a mess.

3: I don't really see how Odin can be over a million years old. Although Åsgård probably has a separate timeline.

4: Thanos is among the younger eternals, and I believe they are normally considered to be half a million years old as a species. Also, Thanos was a fat kid.

et cetera.

Honestly, this sounds like its just numbers thrown up to sound cool.