Lois Lane in No More Superheroes

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[sanjuro]

Good luck defending yourself entities like like Darkseid LMAO

[crinos]

Yeah that always seems to be the blind sight of these "No more super hero" types.

Like congratulations, you got rid of super heroes. Have fun dying horribly the next time Galactus shows up with the munchies.

[janegray]

To be fair, in RL we have anti-vaxxers and anti-maskers.

So it's not like that sort of idiocy is unrealistic.

[crinos]

Very true.

Honestly it wouldn't surprise me if there were people who didn't believe in stuff like Galactus and Darkseid and just assume they are fabrications.

[zachbeacon]

People thinking Galactus is a hoax is something I've seen several times.

("Anti-Galaxers"?)

Would the average person in the DCU even know about Darkseid beyond "I guess SOMEONE is sending all these aliens and BDSM grandmas to fight Superman"? Most of the stories I'm thinking of with him on Earth either have him dropping in on someone's home (or barn) or assuming some kind of disguise.

[locuatico]

Personally. I am at the point that I am wondering... what are the writers trying to say with this tired plot?

Is this just edgy grimdark stuff because "universe were thing go wrong"? is this about the tired meta text of "superheroes don't deal with REAL problems"? Is this about the anti-cop riots from six months ago?

[caivu]

I'm honestly not sure it's anything deeper than "superheroes are Bad, Actually." I don't know how many times over the last few years I've seen this general point crop up in stories and go totally unchallenged (or weakly opposed at best).

[tcampbell1000]

"He killed my son, Jon, whom I had still named after his adoptive father for some reason."

[jlbarnett]

Jon is a pretty common name

[tcampbell1000]

True! But even so, something like "Sam" or "my daughter Nellie" would make me think they'd thought this through a little more.

[zachbeacon]

A fell like the fundamental problem with a lot of newer DC stuff is that they have Marvel envy. Countdown was an X-Men story; it didn't work as a JL story at all. The Snyderverse wants to be as big as the MCU without putting in any of the work.

"We'd all be safer without all these superheroes" just isn't something anyone should ever say to Lois Lane (or anyone in a Superman comic who isn't Lex) but I can see that line working on any number of Marvel "normals" and some of the supers.

[akodo_rokku]

The Marvel Envy goes WAY back. Chris Sims once wrote an article about it calling it, "The Problem" and its plagued DC for *decades*. Basically every reboot has been because DC wants to be more like Marvel, instead of relying on their own strengths.

Hell, you could certainly say The Problem reaches all the way to the movies.

[zachbeacon]

I mostly see it as a "last two decades" problem. I think it's because I remember the JLA/Avengers crossover highlighting the difference between those two worlds but the DCU described in that story no longer exists and isn't coming back...which is weird because DC's OTHER big problem is that they're way too fixated on the Silver Age (especially with the Flash and GL)

Admittedly Marvel has characters and franchises that don't feel like themselves anymore but the world they live in is largely the same.

[icon_uk]

Oh it goes back a lot further into the 80s, the New Teen Titans took most of it's DNA from Claremont and Byrne's "X-Men". But made it work.

But then look at the likes of later Titans teams, especially "Team Titans", which was as blatant an attempt to be "X-Force" as it could be without naming itself "DC's X-Force"

[zachbeacon]

I guess I don't see stuff that happened before I started reading comics as part of the problem because that's how things have always been and comic companies have been stealing character ideas from each other forever. I'm fine with all the Superman clones (in the Hyperion sense) existing in their own tonally distinct worlds but Identity Crisis is a Squadron Supreme story, not a Justice League story.

That's a big part of why I hate that the Wildstorm people were folded into the DCU. The Authority are Golden and Silver Age DC characters made with early 90s Marvel sensibilities. The more they interact with the real thing the more likely something will break.

[themajesticmoose]

Two minutes after this, Superboy Prime shows up and cuts this earth in half like he did during Countdown, wiping out every last one of these mouth breathing morons

Their last thought is: "Oh bugger...we probably should have kept some superheroes around, actually"

Also the idea that these worthless cattle would even be able to wipe out the superheroes is ridiculous. The notion that Wonder Woman of all people could be killed by some pathetic mob of slack jawed lackwits and morons like the one pictured above is quite possibly the stupidest thing I've seen in a DC comic since the time they had Jimmy Olsen running around calling himself "Mr Action"

[icon_uk]

Given she's holding the lasso, I thought the implication was that Super Evil Lois killed Diana, not the mob, because yeah, not a hope in hell of that a happening.

And hey, no knocking "Mr Action" Olsen! :) Those were some pleasantly dumb comics which also, thanks to Jack Kirby, is where Darkseid debuted... or do you mean the Countdown version where he was literally a hero named "Mr Action"? Now that WAS painful

[themajesticmoose]

Oh yeah to be clear I meant the version from Countdown not the Jack Kirby version

Jack Kirby's Jimmy Olsen comics were amazing and enjoyably weird silver age fun

While Countdown was a crime against the eyeballs of everyone who read it

[thanekos]

A short story in a one-shot that's a tertiary tie-in to an event, written by someone whose previous comics work has been 95-99% outside of Big Two superhero stuff, is competently done but seems trite when the reader is particularly invested in said superheroes.

Also, water is a liquid.