Date: 2021-03-12 01:11 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] themajesticmoose
"As subtle as a brick to the face and much less fun"

Is the way I would describe the "Writing" of this series

We get it Grant

Change Is Scary and you desperately wish comics were still silver age garbage about cishet white men in tights hitting each other. Can't you just cry about it on 4chan like a normal person instead of vomiting your weird impotent nerd rage onto the page in the form of these barely coherent nonsensical excuses for stories

Date: 2021-03-12 05:32 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] strejdaking
That's literally the opposite of what Morrison has been saying with their work for at least the last decade. Literally the whole message and thesis of Multiversity was that the stuff you're decribing is killing comics and that superheroes need to change and the key to that is diversity (hence the name). This very comic ends with Hal flying off and letting the new people take over, and him being outdated has arguably been the whole point of the run.

There are plenty of reason to hate their work, but this is objectively not one.

EDIT: I'm sorry. I didn't mean to be smug and rude like that. I don't usually jump at their defense at their handling of social issues and I understand this stuff matters to you. It just struck me as really unfair bad faith reading, especially given how Morrison's message of embracing diversity and new stuff has been so mercilessly destroyed with little notice-it's insane to me how Tomasi killed off a gay Flash made to subvert killing of gay characters and FLashes as hoamge to crisis, as a homage to crisis, and now that guy got replaced with Barry Allen, and nobody cares.
Edited Date: 2021-03-12 05:41 pm (UTC)

Date: 2021-03-12 07:15 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] themajesticmoose
I mean maybe I'm just not getting it but the fact that this story is making a thing out of how "Change for the sake of change" and Modernizing to befit these modern times" is a bad thing here I am getting a big "Old man yells at cloud" vibe off of it

I've never gotten any feel from anything they write that they care about diversity or representation or are about embracing any of these things. In fact their attempts at including "Representation" in their work has often come across as embarassingly bad to me and just made me think they should have just retired back when people actually liked their work so they could be remembered as the person who gave the world Animal Man and Doom Patrol instead of being remembered as the person who gave the world Final Crisis and whatever the hell this is

What Tomasi did does sound awful though and doesn't surprise me because Tomasi's writing in general is crap. I'm sorry that one of the few decent ideas Morrison has contributed to the DCU in recent years got killed off just so we could have more of DC trying to show us how Totally In Our Face Barry Allen is

Date: 2021-03-13 03:08 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] blueprintstyles
A gay Flash was killed off? Where was this?

Date: 2021-03-13 08:37 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] strejdaking
Tomasi's Multiplicity, Superman 14-16. He's killed off in the exact same way Multiversity faked out him getting killed off, for absolutely no reason (seriously, I know it can't be actual reason, but it comes off as if Tomasi was for some reason angry he didn't die in the original story). Yet one more reason I find the reverence for that run hand in hand with hatred towards Bendis bonkers.
Edited Date: 2021-03-13 09:25 am (UTC)

Date: 2021-03-13 09:13 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] strejdaking
Morrison has been in their work critical of how ideas can be twisted and corrupted. That doesn't mean to me he's againt modernazing or has uncritical reverence of the past. The whole Hyperman story in this run is him mercilessly deconstructing Silver Age Superman. I think most people can for instance like Etta Candy being black but not Diana being daughter of Zeus. This in fact, seems more likely to be a critique of bringing back Silver Age stuff and grittying it up the way Geoff Johns constantly does. Member when the kids from Super Friends got eaten by Wonder Dog?

I'm not gonna tell you how you should feel about how their attempts at diversity manifested, because yeaaaaah, a lot of it can be, charitably, described as "poorly aged". But if you want to go into their motives, I simply don't see how you could look at Multiversity and read it as "yes, the problem with comics is too much diversity and not enough same old shit".

And I know Final Crisis is still divisive, but it seems have gotten a reavaluated since it came out, for which I'm glad.

Date: 2021-03-13 12:51 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] cricharddavies
This very comic ends with Hal flying off and letting the new people take over,

That's one way of reading that scene. The way I read it is "Hal just can't be bothered to even talk with these people and ditches them to go keep doing his thing."

Date: 2021-03-12 02:55 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] blueprintstyles
Not loving "transassassin"

Date: 2021-03-12 04:17 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] themajesticmoose
I know Morrison has themselves come out as non-binary but yeah, I still can't say I've been at all impressed with how their work has treated trans people

Date: 2021-03-12 03:12 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] thanekos
This and Wonder Woman: Earth One V3 coming out in the same week is some synchronicity.

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