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Something has slithered into a gap in the mutant community. This evil thing has identified that if you are part of a society that has no limits then you also have no direction. Look, there's a whole heap of anthropological and sociological stuff that I could bore you with here, to hint at the big picture and foreshadow some of the fears and doubts Nightcrawler is sensing on the horizon, but this is comics! So, luckily for us, all this high-falutin’ stuff takes a very familiar, and utterly terrifying, form. It’s an individual who is lurking in the shadows, exacerbating the risks that arise when you have a society without any rudder or anchor. Especially when that society is made up of people with superpowers. It’s the sociological equivalent of a nuke, and this thing, this threat, has its finger on the button.
-- Simon Spurrier









Date: 2021-05-23 03:43 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] dcbanacek
When Legion is the sanest guy in the room and starts making the most sense... its time to run.

Date: 2021-05-23 02:55 pm (UTC)
deh_tommy: Gavla from BIONICLE. For when I’m feeling argumentative, confrontational or altogether serious. (Gavla)
From: [personal profile] deh_tommy
Of course everything bad coming out of Moira’s manufactured culture isn’t a natural consequence of said culture, no no no, that’s all because of a supervillain making everyone nasty. Krakoa can’t be at fault in any way, nope, nuh-uh, nosiree. Human nature and flaws and whatnot is for the humans.

Date: 2021-05-23 04:20 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] rainspirit
Is this a problem with the X-books not having nuance in its story or with you deliberately not noticing any?

Date: 2021-05-23 04:30 pm (UTC)
deh_tommy: Gavla from BIONICLE. For when I’m feeling argumentative, confrontational or altogether serious. (Gavla)
From: [personal profile] deh_tommy
Probably me. But that feels like every time there’s even a whiff of nuance or debate or something uncomfortable, that gets swept under the rug and unconsciously glorified as being right actually, or that turns out the critics are secretly bigoted/evil the whole time.

Date: 2021-05-23 04:39 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] rainspirit
I think that's a fair point, and I'm not sure how I'd begin to tackle that as a writer. Given that it's Hickman's magnum opus and Si Spurrier and the like are guest writers, I feel as if a lot of the problems are stemming from internal communication--how much are the writers of the X-books allowed to point out flaws and tear into Krakoa as a society without undermining what the lead writers are doing or deflating interest in the current status quo?

I feel like this is a first for Marvel, the only comparable thing being Civil War, which itself had its problems with portraying political ideology and nuance in character. I'm sure this will all make for pretty interesting post-mortem interviews when Age of X has run its course.

Date: 2021-05-24 09:49 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] tinygaylaura
None of the X-books including Hickman's have tried to claim that everything about Krakoa is perfect. They're just also not pretending that its somehow the worst thing ever like some fans are bizarrely trying to claim.

Krakoa as a whole is a good thing and a beautiful idea. It has problems both because every society has problems and also because if it didn't have any problems there would be no drama which would be a problem for superhero book

Date: 2021-05-24 03:44 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] tinygaylaura
Indeed

And the people who say that because Krakoa has problems that means its bad and should be gotten rid of just remind me of the people who claim that what happened to the Republic and the Jedi in the Star Wars prequels was somehow what they deserved

Date: 2021-05-24 09:37 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mastermahan
Not at all, actually. The idea is that the collapse of Krakoan society is inevitable because it has no meaning or limits. It's expressly stated that Orchis is only trying to accelerate what's already happening.

Date: 2021-05-23 06:43 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] 1wordreaction
Nostalgic

Date: 2021-05-23 10:50 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] tinygaylaura
This is ominous 0_0

Date: 2021-05-23 11:15 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] angry_marmot
* starts printing t-shirts: LEGION WAS RIGHT. *

Date: 2021-05-23 11:29 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] coldfury
Man, who approved *Onslaught* for the resurrection protocols?

Date: 2021-05-24 03:34 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] nyadnar17
I can't stop laughing at this.

Date: 2021-05-23 02:46 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] deh_tommy
Couldn’t even last a single issue before undoing the whole Krakoa critique. Sigh... I dread the inevitable moment Nightcrawler finds the titular Way.

On the plus side, Onslaught in the clouds looks really cool.

Date: 2021-05-23 04:34 pm (UTC)
deh_tommy: Gavla from BIONICLE. For when I’m feeling argumentative, confrontational or altogether serious. (Gavla)
From: [personal profile] deh_tommy
I did, and unless I misread the issue that essentially says the reason for things like why Krakoa prioritises warriors and fighters or why mutants like Pixie are peer pressured into being cool and killing themselves is because of Onslaught silently egging people on.
Edited Date: 2021-05-23 04:35 pm (UTC)

Date: 2021-05-23 04:49 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] tcampbell1000
My takeaway was that the Patchwork Man/Onslaught is exacerbating things, but he's working off societal weaknesses that would definitely be there without him. Those who want Krakoa gone simulated its natural end and then did what they could to speed up the process.

Date: 2021-05-24 02:02 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] deh_tommy
But that’s still ultimately humans trying to sabotage Krakoa and speeding things up, no? Hence as always the enemy comes from without, not within.

Date: 2021-05-23 11:50 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] john_wyatt
I think the idea is that Orchis simulated how Krakoa would collapse in a simulation populated by Haller's personalities. Having seen what would lead to collapse, they're trying to accelerate it via Onslaught. I don't know how they got Onslaught to act as desired.

Date: 2021-05-23 06:35 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lordultimus
I'm... actually okay with this? Onslaught always had potential (being a dark mirror to both Magneto and Charles, and the fact that he's basically their son), but always had a bunch of 90's-ness limiting him. A book like this can actually explore him in a way other that "throw a lot of shit at him".

Date: 2021-05-24 09:50 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] tinygaylaura
I'll be interested to see how he's used here. He's certainly more menacing here as a lurking threat than as just a big guy who blasts and smashes things

Date: 2021-05-24 10:36 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] gnarll
Onslaught. Interesting villain for Legion. One of his fathers spin-off personalities with different powers.

Its kind of a theme for him, we had "Evil Xavier" in his last book. The Entity next maybe? I've had suspicions in this direction about Cassandra Nova as well.

Xavier never kept them locked in his head. (As far as we know)

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