Sinister War #3

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[nightauditguy]

Why is Juggernaut there?

[cyberghostface]

He's being mind controlled.

[jgeils]

I thought the helmet shielded Juggie from mind control. After all, his brother is the most powerful telepath on the planet.

[lordultimus]

I'd imagine it'd depend on the type of mind control. Like, what if he took the helmet off, someone put him in a trance, then told him to put the helmet back on because it looks cooler?

[cyberghostface]

Well it's less mutant telepathy and more demonic interference.

[gnarll]

I am not sure that is his original suit. He got a new on in his own series. Although he ought be punching well above him mental weight class in mind-to-mind, given how he grew up.

[mazway_75]

To continue my annoyance of Wizard magazine's non-stop praising the Roger Stern two-parter as "possibly the greatest Spider-Man story OF ALL TIME."

[zachbeacon]

Its a solid story but I always did find it funny how much Wizard praised that one while making fun of the Firelord fight.

"Its hilarious that they want us to buy that Spider-Man can beat a Herald of Galactus ... anyway you should totally read this comic where Spider-Man defeats the Avatar of Cyttorak"

[mazway_75]

I loved that mag all the way until the final issue but some of their takes....

See the 1999 list on "25 greatest comic book moments" where only two were before 1980.

And one "Thor threatens Loki's head with his hammer" which isn't even in the best 10 moments of Simonson's run.

[dan_ingram]

Oh good, Sin-Eater, Juggernaut and the Lethal Legion on top of the Savage Six, Sinister Six, Sinister Syndicate and whatever the hell Shocker et all are.

Because there just weren't enough characters in the story already.

[tinygaylaura]

This being a Nick Spencer story none of them will do anything but they sure will pose dramatically

[lordultimus]

"He's just standing there...

MENACINGLY!!!"

[tinygaylaura]

"Hey guys

HEY GUYS

Can I be in the event book?

I would like to be in the event book"

[scorntx]

"Go home, Trapster."

[tinygaylaura]

Trapster is the Rodney Dangerfield of supervillains

He gets no regard

No regard I tells ya

No esteem either!

[tinygaylaura]

So the "twist" ending will be that Otto, Janice and Quentin all help Peter because he's the main character of this story

A plot twist as shocking and unexpected as the time The Picture of Dorian Gray turned out to be a story where a picture of a person named Dorian Gray was important to the plot

[zachbeacon]

It wouldn't surprise me if they handle Otto the way they handled Sandman post-Byrne reboot. His heroic stint will largely be ignored but - in the stories where he isn't there just for the supervillain group shots* - he'll be at least treated like a symathetic villain. Heck, that was how Otto was treated through most of the 90s.

*And this story seems to be ALL ABOUT the supervillain group shots

[tcampbell1000]

PETER CANNOT HEAR YOU, HARRY

HE'S BUSY TRYING NOT TO DIE AT THE HANDS OF YOUR SIX SINISTER SIXES

IF YOU'RE TRYING TO SHOW HIM SOMETHING BESIDES "VILLAIN GANGS SUCK," THIS IS THE WORST POWERPOINT PRESENTATION OF ALL TIME

THOSE GUYS WHO DID A GENDER REVEAL FIREWORKS DISPLAY AND SET OFF A FOREST FIRE? THEY PALE IN COMPARISON

LIKE, MAYBE IF YOU WANTED HIM TO "LEARN A LESSON" OR SOMETHING FROM ALL THIS, YOU COULD'VE JUST TAKEN OVER THE TIMES SQUARE JUMBOTRON LIKE MYSTERIO IN THE LAST MOVIE. I know I complained at the time about the plausibility of that, like, there aren't actually huge loudspeakers in Times Square assaulting the eardrums of untold thousands of people with their blaring. But I would've put up with it, and it would've been LESS EXTRA THAN NARRATING OVER THE BACKGROUND OF LIKE EIGHTEEN NON-CONSECUTIVE ISSUES, HARRY. You're like if someone resurrected Stan Lee but infused him with the bitterness of Jack Kirby. Except that Stan and Jack knew that storytelling requires you to SAY SOMETHING INTERESTING OR INFORMATIVE.

HARRY.

[tinygaylaura]

Yeah I really don't see what if anything Harry's motivation is in this story or in general

[cyberghostface]

Yeah I'm surprised given at how this is the final arc just how little has actually happened so far in terms of the Mephisto/Harry/Kindred development.

[tinygaylaura]

It feels like so much of the story was built around the Big Reveal and now it happened Spencer doesn't actually know what to do after that

Spencer created a whodunnit but never stopped to consider the whydunnit

[zachbeacon]

Something something Morning Glories.

[akodo_rokku]

At least since this is Spider-Man someone will pick up the pieces?

[zachbeacon]

Maybe? I'm still convinced they're bringing Ben back so they can eventually "cave to the fans" and bring Peter back while hoping all the people that want the Spider-Marriage back will just give up,

Heck, I'm still half convinced that OMD happened to shut up those of us that wanted Baby May. If the opposition to a married superhero is framed as "it makes him too old" then there's no way they're going to let him be a father.

[sabertoothlotus]

So Ben is the New Coke?

[zachbeacon]

I was thinking more about modern politics but your metaphor works too.

[starwolf_oakley]

There's precedent for the Tarantula saying "I never got the credit I deserved." CBR.com has some commentary about that. Gerry Conway made the Tarantula a bad-ass. Roger Stern, less so. The article suggested Stern did not like Spider-Man getting defeated by villains with "gimmicks" but no actual superpowers.

https://www.cbr.com/spider-man-tarantula-gerry-conway/

https://www.cbr.com/meta-messages-roger-stern-not-tarantulas-biggest-fan/

"A second-rater like you must have caught me on an off day."

https://static1.cbrimages.com/wp-content/uploads/goodcomics/2011/10/tarantula3.jpg?dpr=1.5

[tinygaylaura]

Isn't this a different Tarantula tho?

The original became spider monster and died

The current one is a former enforcer of a brutal millitary dictatorship in one of the many fictional countries Marvel has who wound up as an independent villain

[starwolf_oakley]

From these pages, I don't know which Tarantula this is. This Tarantula *could* be the one resurrected in "Dead No More" that stuck around.

https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Anton_Miguel_Rodriquez_(Earth-616)

[lbd_nytetrayn]

I like the good guy from the daily comic strip, personally.

[tinygaylaura]

He seemed cool :)

[thanekos]

I love Whirlwind just kicking a dumpster up into the air in the midst of his colleagues.

(Of course, most of them would only be mildly inconvenienced if it fell on them.)

[coldfury]

Actually, it looks like Juggernaut chucked that thing, so it's probably not coming down anywhere near any of them.

[beyondthefringe]

Spider-villains are like ninjas.
The more there are, the less effective they become.
Any single one of these might give Spider-Man a run for his money. (Results may vary, since we got everyone from White Rabbit to Doctor Octopus to Morlun here...)
Any single unified -team- would certainly be a match for him.

Six teams, all at odds with one another?
Pete could probably sneak away in the chaos and be at home with MJ watching Netflix before the teams stopped fighting each other long enough to realize they were all idiots.

And the insinuation -and- more direct evidence that at least a few of these villains don't wanna be there and/or don't want to actually fight Peter (i.e. Boomerange, Otto, Janice, Overdrive...) means the scheme is even more fractured.

This is just a ridiculous excuse to get EVERY. SPIDER. VILLAIN. EVEEEEEEEEER into one story so Spencer can walk away from the carnage like there's an explosion behind him...

[arilou_skiff]

IIRC it's been noted that this is actually a thing: Spidey is much more dangerous in when against a team because the spider-sense and his agility means he is really good at "avoiding attacks so they hit someone else" or "throwing villains into each other".

[tinygaylaura]

This was also brought up in one of my favorite issues of Thunderbolts where Hawkeye pointed out that while in theory an army of supervillains against a small team of heroes sounds like an easy win for the bad guys it's actually the opposite...the heroes have a ton of targets to choose from while the bad guys have to carefully place their attacks or risk taking each other out by accident

[armycat23]

Is it my imagination but is the whole exploding boomerang thing an excuse to give peter a break, perhaps in appreciation of Spiderman trying to tell him to get out of there?

[phantomfo]

Boomerang was telling Spidey to run, not the other way around. He used the exploding boomerang to create a distraction.

[coldfury]

Okay, you cannot have 36 different super villains parading around New York without the Avengers, the Fantastic Four, or hell even Luke Cage or someone getting mildly alarmed and checking things out.

I know, I know, to each their own title and woes. But this is call the national guard level of crazy, especially with Juggernaut running around in the mix.

[scorntx]

Maybe Trapster's glued 'em all up?

[zachbeacon]

I can't help but imagine the X-Men thinking they've picked a heck of a time to move back to NYC.

[tinygaylaura]

All I can now picture is

Cyclops: *Enjoying his morning coffee and reading the Bugle*

Spider-Man: *Runs past the X-men's HQ* HEEEELLLPPPPP MEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Villains: *Giving chase*

Cyclops: I should probably do something about that

But I am already in my pyjamas...