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My rule for Arakko is that it's a lot more complicated than you think. The Arakkii aren't some monolith of maniacs, they're a people -- with all the nuance and variation that implies -- who were at war for thousands of years, which was bad, and eventually lost that war, which was worse. -- Al Ewing

















Date: 2022-07-27 08:07 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] dianakingston
I don't know what Ewing's going on about because the Arakkii are monolithic maniacs with zero nuance and variation, and have been since they were introduced. Red hasn't changed that, Legion of X hasn't changed that. If there's a more complex take on that society we haven't seen it yet.

EDIT: On top of that, that quote is from an interview published mid-January. We're at the end of July. So... yeah.
Edited Date: 2022-07-27 08:10 am (UTC)

(Spoilers in Rot13)

Date: 2022-07-27 09:12 am (UTC)
numeronone: (Default)
From: [personal profile] numeronone
I mean, as of the recent "A.X.E. Judgment Day" #1, gur Nenxvv ner abj frireryl erqhprq vs abg gbgnyyl qrpvzngrq ol gur nggnpx bs Henabf Gur Haqlvat.

Which means that this issue serves some interesting additional purposes: ol haqreyvavat gung gur Nenxxb zhgnagf ner gbgnyyl bccbfrq gb orvat erfheerpgrq, Rjvat yraqf Tvyyra'f jevgvat qrpvfvba fbzr jrvtug. Gubfr Nenxxvv ner rvgure tbar sbe tbbq, be gur Xenxbnaf ner nobhg gb ivbyngr gurve crefbany nhgbabzl va oevatvat gurz onpx.

Which ALSO creates a more convenient writing situation: vg'f irel qvssvphyg gb jevgr n tvtnagvp pvivyvfngvba, zbabyvgu be ab; sne rnfvre gb jevgr gur frireryl erqhprq fheivibef bs na raqnatrerq fcrpvrf. It was the status quo for the X-Men for years and years previous, and I trust Ewing could make it interesting here.

Re: (Spoilers in Rot13)

Date: 2022-07-27 02:17 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] dianakingston
N ohapu bs anzryrff, snpryrff, crefbanyvgl-yrff pvcuref orvat xvyyrq bss vfa'g, va vgfrys, na vagrerfgvat jevgvat qrpvfvba, gubhtu. Vg'f tbg rknpgyl nf zhpu rzbgvbany jrvtug nf Cbbpuvr sylvat bss gb uvf ubzr cynarg, jub rknpgyl ner jr zrnag gb or zbheavat? Vfpn? Mfra?
Edited Date: 2022-07-27 02:18 pm (UTC)

Re: (Spoilers in Rot13)

Date: 2022-07-27 02:29 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] numeronone
It might not be interesting in and of itself - but vg jnfa'g jura Trabfun tbg bssrq rvgure, be jura gur "Fgnasbeq Znffnper" unccrarq. The consequences of the event are more of the focus, which is why it happened in the background. Yvxr Trabfun, be Ubhfr bs Z, *be* Pvivy Jne, gur cbvag bs vagrerfg vf gur birenepuvat pbafrdhraprf bs gur vavgvny rirag.

Re: (Spoilers in Rot13)

Date: 2022-07-27 08:15 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] dianakingston
Trabfun znggrerq orpnhfr vg jnf n frggvat gung qngrq onpx gb gur '80f - jr xarj jung vg jnf, vgf uvfgbel, naq jung vg zrnag sbe gur K-Zra gung vg jnf qrfgeblrq. Znef unfa'g orra "Cynarg Nenxxb" sbe ybat rabhtu gb npghnyyl frr nal xvaq bs erny vzcnpg vg'f unq ba zhgnag yvirf. Vg'f abg yvxr jr'er frrvat n ybg bs Xenxbn/Nenxxb vagrezvkvat, be Nenxxb urycvat va nal jnl ntnvafg BEPUVF. Fb jung qbrf vg znggre vs gurl'er jvcrq bhg? Jub qbrf gung ernyyl nssrpg?

Date: 2022-07-27 12:02 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] iamrman
Not even Al Ewing can make me care about the mutants of Arakko.

Date: 2022-07-27 09:15 am (UTC)
numeronone: (Default)
From: [personal profile] numeronone
Also OP, I've found that there is an "X-Men Red" tag from when it was a Jean Grey-led series, if you want to use that.

Date: 2022-07-27 09:23 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] deh_tommy
[personal profile] numeronone Bloody heck, rira gur Nenxxv nera’g vzzhar gb gur evghny zhgnag trabpvqrf, uhu?
Edited Date: 2022-07-27 09:24 am (UTC)

Date: 2022-07-27 09:49 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mastermahan
Naq nf hfhny, gur trabpvqr jnfa'g pbzzvggrq ol n uhzna.

Date: 2022-07-27 11:07 am (UTC)
numeronone: (Default)
From: [personal profile] numeronone
Ubarfgyl vg srryf yvxr "tvir 'rz n greevgbel bs gurve bja" vf n pbzvpf gebcr gung fvtavsvrf qbbz. Abg rira whfg Trabfun - V'z nyfb erzvaqrq bs jura gurl raynetrq Xnaqbe va gur 2000f, pnhfvat uhzna/Xelcgbavna grafvbaf lnqqn lnqqn, pnhfvat gurz gb fvg gurve yvirf bhg ba nabgure cynarg hagvy gur arkg erobbg renfrq gurz.

Pbzr gb guvax bs vg, jnfa'g gur Nftneq va Bxynubzn nyfb qrfgeblrq, yvxr, gjvpr?

Date: 2022-07-27 10:19 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] scorntx
It is amusing because Magneto honestly seems to think he can die.
Naw, buddy. You and Ororo are here forever.
Unless, of course, some sort of weird and hideously ironic thing were to occur mere days after you'd said that.
And goodness, but what are the chances of that.


There is a bit in that scene with Storm and the diplomats that has another wrinkle:
Of the people in that room, Hulkling and Oracle are the only two who haven't in some way died and come back to life before.
(And even Oracle's a fuzzy case. Don't the Shi'ar Imperial Guard sometimes use clone replacements? Certainly, that's not the Oracle who first appeared back in the 70s.)

Date: 2022-07-27 12:30 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] blues32
Wrongslide? Really? They're just going to call the poor guy Wrongslide?

Date: 2022-07-27 02:12 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] nyadnar17
Mutant names are really fucked up sometimes.

Date: 2022-07-27 02:12 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] scorntx
Given his conversation with Roberto, the name "Tombstone" might've been pretty apt, but it is kind of taken.

All the good names are taken.
(He could try "Gravestone", I suppose...)

Date: 2022-07-27 02:47 pm (UTC)
cainofdreaming: b/w (Default)
From: [personal profile] cainofdreaming
But then someone would fly him to Odessen.

Date: 2022-07-27 04:50 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] shakalooloo
It's mentioned in pages not scanned here that the kids are doing it to be cruel, but Wrongslide doesn't see it that way.

Date: 2022-07-27 05:49 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] giraffesforever
I feel like one of the other books said the kids were calling him something else that I thought was more clever, but I can't recall it.

Also, that's some pretty serious consideration of the meaning of life and death for someone who was a mute child pretty recently and I think is just months old.

Date: 2022-07-28 02:53 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] alliterator
The other kids called him that and he liked it. Beto is just using the name he prefers.

Date: 2022-07-27 01:02 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] justsotired
*reads comments* Am... am I having a stroke? Like right now?

Also only Al Ewing could outsmart one of Hickman's dumb meta-mutant concepts like "my mutant power is that I simply cannot be beaten in any contest. Nope. Can't be beaten."

Date: 2022-07-27 01:59 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] phantomfo
They're using the https://rot13.com method of discussing spoilers. Icon mentioned it in his post yesterday.

Date: 2022-07-27 08:27 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] beyondthefringe
Rot13 is a pain in the ass. Luckily I discovered a chrome extension that allows for an easier highlight and click to translate.

Date: 2022-07-27 02:56 pm (UTC)
deh_tommy: (Default)
From: [personal profile] deh_tommy
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn.

In all seriousness, since we don’t have dedicated spoiler tags, someone suggested we mask our spoilers using the Rot13 cipher and it’s just kind of stuck since then.

Date: 2022-07-28 01:42 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lordultimus
It does sort of raise the question as to why anyone hasn't done a "challenge to kill yourself" challenge to Isca, though.

Date: 2022-07-27 04:54 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] giraffesforever
I quite like Magneto's "I fear winter" speech. Recognizing in himself that if he lived forever he would become something he does not want. An extremist, even by his standards, or a misanthrope, or just irrelevant, but something undesirable. I think this might be the first time a Krakoan has expressed the idea that having endless life would produce something bad, and I'd love if the idea were considered more.

Date: 2022-07-27 09:44 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mastermahan
It sets up Judgment Day nicely. The Eternals are all a million years old. Gillen's take on them shows most of them are pretty messed up, and that's with liberal reboots and memory wipes.

Date: 2022-07-28 01:43 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] giraffesforever
Hadn't even thought of the comparison, that's a great point. Probably too much to hope for in a heroes fighting each other event, but it'd be really neat to see some of the Eternals talk with the mutants about the hazards of living forever.

Date: 2022-07-28 02:26 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] cygnia
...I wonder if any Eternals' life spans are connected to mutants?

Date: 2022-07-28 02:54 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] alliterator
He is also, subtly, talking about Moira and what repeating life over and over again did to her.

Date: 2022-07-28 04:37 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] giraffesforever
Agreed, and before Moira got turned into a revenge-seeking murderbot I thought this was one of the things that made her a really interesting character. Clearly being Sisyphus for centuries badly damaged her, and I think it's interesting to consider how her experience affected her compared to someone like Synch or Jean or Wolverine. I have respect for Erik looking at Moira and acknowledging to himself, "that would be me". Pretty sure Charles, and most people, would think "that'll never be me".

Date: 2022-07-28 05:45 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] alliterator
I consider Moira.exe to be like Lady Stoneheart: she uploaded herself at her lowest point, when she was having a psychotic break, so it's easy to see why she's so completely evil now.

Date: 2022-07-28 03:49 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] giraffesforever
Nice parallel

Date: 2022-07-27 06:07 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] onsokumaru
It all seems beautifully written, as usual with Ewing, but I just can... Those talks about death, about Rockslide, just rub salt on the wounds.
We all know that no X-writer would take the risk to kill Storm (they'd better delete all social media if they did), and that if Magneto dies, he'll come back like he always does, resurrection protocols or not.
Meanwhile they keep Santo dead, even though the Scarlet Witch made it possibe or every mutant ever to come back. That's just mean, at this point.

The X-Books are more exciting than ever. They brought back a lot of loved characters. They are trying a lot of new things and offer us the craziest line-ups, far from the boring X-Men Blue or Gold.
And yet the characters who matter, those who get to be heavily featured in the events (and not as redshirts) are more or less the sames as usual. And yet the first mutant to die "for real" had to be one of the X-kids. They could have killed, I don't know, Kamikaze or Sugarman, or created a new character for that purpose, but no: they had to remind us that no matter what, the New X-Men are still redshirts.

I know I'm overdramatizing this. It's just a fictionnal character and maybe they'll actually bring him back.
But the fact it's a "maybe" and not a "when" ("when" is for the old guard) spoils my reading pleasure.

Date: 2022-07-27 08:33 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] beyondthefringe
Yeah, but they also "killed" Gorgon in the same manner, and while he doesn't have a huge fanbase, he's at least a recognizable name to take off the stage in such a manner.

Rockslide serves the purpose of being recognizable but expendable, which are traits shared by far too many of the younger generations. At the end of the day, despite his semi-longevity as a character and an ensemble member of several books, he's still no headliner. It could just as easily have been one of the dozens of others who populate the school's newer classes.

And of course with Gambit "dead" we'll see if they're willing to Otherworld-kill one of the big names or if there's a way to cheat it...

Date: 2022-07-27 09:22 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mastermahan
Well, Betsy died in Otherworld and simply ended up possessing an alternate universe version of herself. So there's precedent.

Perhaps that's why Otherworld resurrections get messed up. The Five are somehow putting people's souls back in their bodies - Rockslide and Gorgon are still alive elsewhere and the Five pulled an alternate instead.

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