Immortal X-Men #4-5 - "Diamonds Are Forever"

[laughing_tree]

Utopia could only be thought of ironically — it was a couple of hundred mutants with their backs against the wall, tottering on the edge of an existential chasm. Krakoa has them as arguably the dominant power on the planet, taking the spotlight on the galactic stage. But you look at that a little harder, and you still see similarities. You can be Hated and Feared for many reasons. “Being envied” has always been in the mix, but never more so than now. The existential chasm is still there. It’s just perhaps even more awful when they’ve gained so much, and achieved such wonders. Another primary difference is my page rate has increased. -- Kieron Gillen























Issue 5:

Comments

[arilou_skiff]

I love Emma when she gets to be complicated and conflicted and somewhat vulnerable rather than *just* the memetic badass. (while still being badass)

[shadowpsykie]

there is more to her than her diamond exterior.

[cainofdreaming]

So, Sinister is just an AI in a meatputer? How's that for Quiet Council's anti-AI stance?

[blues32]

I mean...does it count when it's entirely organic?

[cainofdreaming]

So, Prime Sentinels just need to change their cybernetics into biotech and Future Karima is okay in their books? Bastion is invited for a kegger?

[blues32]

I think the whole "mutant hating" thing excludes them from any Christmas card lists.

[mastermahan]

No, no, of course they wouldn't let in a couple of genocidal machines just because they were organic. Don't be absurd.

They'd need to have an X-Gene too.

[lordultimus]

The only thing they care about is that X-Gene.

[alliterator]

Sinister doesn't have an Artificial Intelligence, he has an Artificial Personality. Two different things.

[cainofdreaming]

Despite the name AIs have almost never been depicted as pure intelligence. Karima, Nimrod, et all, have their own personalities too. And how do you think the Sinister clones get their intelligences? Does he spend decades teaching them, or is it also installed?

[alliterator]

I mean, I'm pretty sure that "Artificial Intelligence" means their entire mind is artificial, not just one aspect of it. Since Mister Sinister was born Nathaniel Essex and his mind, despite being cloned a ton of times, is still from the "original" Nathaniel Essex, it's not considered artificial intelligence.

Compared to Karima, whose mind was completely taken over by the Omega Sentinel from the future.

[lordultimus]

Uh, maybe don't have the rich white woman call the asian man a racist next time?

[blues32]

When did she do that?

[remial]

racisim isn't something that is exclusive to white people

[lordultimus]

Yes, but a rich white person being the one accusing ain't great.

[icon_uk]

When she's talking to someone who either did not condemn, or actively profited from, the attempted genocide of the group she belongs to, I'd say that sort of trumps the fact she's a white woman. Her accusation is accurate.

[mastermahan]

Thought: how many humans died in Genosha? Magneto and the UN couldn't have deported the entire human population and achieved a total ethnostate.

Along those lines, what happened to the native Genoshans? Someone must have been living there before the stand-in South Africans arrived.

[blues32]

So...Mr. Sinister's new personality is something he literally cooked up. Not seeing much of Deadpool, but I am definitely seeing the Oscar Wilde.

[giraffesforever]

Charisma serving the purpose of chafe certainly seems accurate for Sinister.

Do we understand why he's resetting his personality? It doesn't seem like a change at all, and even if so, how does this help him respond to there being an Orchis Sinister?

[cainofdreaming]

Two possibilities come to mind. First that he thought his program had been corrupted and that was him with a sticker on his head. Second that he'd actually grown enough from the factory settings that this was causing him to question himself. That maybe he wasn't the end all be all of Sinisters, or everyone really. Couldn't have that.

[remial]

"I have a sweary messiah" may now be my favorite line of dialogue ever

[icon_uk]

Reminds me of one of my facourite Pratchett quotes

Besides, when you hit your thumb with an eight-pound hammer it's nice to be able to blaspheme. It takes a very special and strong-minded kind of atheist to jump up and down with their hand clasped under their other armpit and shout, "Oh, random-fluctuations-in-the-space-time-continuum!" or "Aaargh, primitive-and-outmoded-concept on a crutch!"

[bruinsfan]

Interesting... shouldn't this plan include the Stepford Cuckoos syncing up with Emma? It would seem that fighting another telepathic gestalt entity would be right up their alley, aside from the simple addition of more power.

[icon_uk]

Perhaps they have been taken out of the equation already?

[bruinsfan]

Possibly. Though I'd think you'd want to target the strongest telepaths first with your psychic attack rather than have them come riding to the rescue.