More DC Race Fail

[goggle_kid]

Dave Brothers Beat Me To This One

More of Ian Sattler at the the Heroes Con DC Nation panel.

"A serious topic came up about how characters who are minorities who happened to be legacy characters like Ryan Choi are killed off so their caucasian counterparts can return and how they feel like they are being cheated or sidelined out of their roles. Sattler took a more serious tone. "It's so hard for me to be on the other side because it's not our intention. There is a reason behind it all. We don't see it that way and strive very hard to have a diverse DCU. I mean, we have green, pink, and blue characters. We have the Great Ten out there and I have counter statistics, but I won't get into that. It's not how we perceived it. We get the same thing about how we treat our female characters."

Comments

[From: bluefall]

Yes, Mr Sattler, you're colorblind. We know. That's precisely the problem.

[From: bluefall]

Also,

"We get the same thing about how we treat our female characters."

Epic lulz.

[From: spockfran.livejournal.com]

oh wow
I see
So....you admit that this perception is out there but disregard it because you dont feel the same way.
Stay Classy DC

[From: goggle_kid]

One More Day aside Marvel seems to have this sort basic "whatever sells sells" mindset and frankly Joe Quesada strikes me as a guy who would sell ANYTHING: Tijuana Bibles, Classics Illustrated, Ikea Instruction Manuals if he thought they could crack 100,000+ a month.

Didio and his ilk on the other hand seems to have this "we'll publish what we want to publish" mindset where they seem to go through the 5 stages of grief any time a book like Countdown or Cry For Justice is poorly received.

[From: bluepard]

It's not a good thing that there are more green and blue and orange people than minorities. That is the point. See icon for a relevant series.

[From: bluepard]

Also, someone on that blog said "he’s just pointing out they don’t automatically make everyone white."

But if Brainy or whoever is turned human, they're always turned white. Even the greens and blues, etc, are white on the inside, I guess.

[From: magnetic_regina]

Um... I'm just going to leave this here.

[From: deleonjh]

Thanks, I was trying to find that link.

[From: stolisomancer.insanejournal.com]

The dude at 4th letter is named David Brothers. David Brooks is a conservative pundit.

I get the feeling Ian Sattler was hired to deflect some ire from Didio, and for no other reason.

[From: stolisomancer.insanejournal.com]

Also, as a hopeless Marvel fanboy, watching DC dig themselves deeper like this gives me a big old unfortunate grin. It is terrible but I cannot help it.

[From: theanswer]

You not seeing it that way is the problem.

[From: lea_hazel]

I don't suppose it ever occurred to Mr. Sattler that if he gets the same complaints over and over again, there might be something to them?

[From: suzene]

But if the fans are complaining, that means they did a good job of getting us emotionally invested! Whee!

I will let Worf speak for me on this matter

[From: jjgalahad]

Re: I will let Worf speak for me on this matter

[From: theanswer]

[From: seriousfic]

You know, before you go into a discussion on race, DC people, perhaps it would be a good idea to look up the idea of "coded white"? It is just a teeny bit important. While you're at it, look up the concept of diversity. Believe it or not, there are not many pink people who are very pleased at having a pink-skinned hero to look up to.

[From: seriousfic]

But other than that, you have completely successfully defused the current racial tension. Cash that paycheck with pride!

[From: punishermax]

The Great Ten isn't really a good way to deflect charges of racism. I haven't read the series, but after looking over what I learned in 52 and from character descriptions the female member seems pretty messed up.

A Chinese super heroine whose super power is that she pops out kids? What?

[From: zemo]

That left aside, I find some the names incredibly stupid, and honestly said, kind of insulting. I mean, "August General in Iron"? Someone has seen Madame Butterfly once too often >_>

[From: windiebird.livejournal.com]

GA/GL looooooove!

Stupid man is stupid.

[From: phosfate]

It's good that green, pink, and blue readers can see themselves in DC Comics.

[From: crabby_lioness]

That deserves to be in textbooks as a classic example of race!fail.

[From: flidgetjerome]

I'm going to use it from now on as an excellent example for explaining what "Othering" is to people.

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[From: thepinkperil]

"We get the same thing about how we treat our female characters."

And we all know how they beat themselves up over that topic.

Re: ..

[From: mechanicaljewel]

They brought back Birds of Prey AND put Gail Simone on it! GOD, what more do you females want? An artist who knows how to draw more than one female body type? Pffft.

[From: deepspaceartist]

God. The stupidity and ignorance burns.

I never really got the impact of those panels though. GL didn't stick around and help the aliens with their social problems (except for removing a few murderous dictators here or there) he just saves their lives. Unles he's only been shielding white people from falling debris and deflecting falling meteors into black neighborhoods, he's done just as much for black humans as he's done for any aliens or other humans.

[From: skalja]

It's almost like a racefail parody!

God, I wish it were a racefail parody.

[From: neo_prodigy]

Sattler or some of the comments in this post?

[From: divi_d]

So, never minding the "minority conflation fallacy" or the fact that he seems to think that being accused of sexism counts as a counter point to accusations of racism (or whatever, I'm really having a hard time making sense of that one)...

The fact that he seems to be implying that having representation for extra terrestrials in his stories counts as racial diversity is just confusing beyond belief. I mean, what, does he think these works are non-fiction or something? That green-martians and the guardians of the universe and whatnot are all real? Is there something I don't know here?

WTF?!?

[From: stolisomancer.insanejournal.com]

Does anyone have a recording of Sattler saying this? Looking at it again, I'm wondering if he was going for a joke in an attempt to lighten the mood, or if he was actually serious.

[From: autolychus2]

Reading it, I would think that he's making a (bad, insensitive) joke. But this being the Internet, I imagine someone will Godwin the comment soon.

Keep digging that hole...

[From: jazzypom]

So instead of taking the criticism to heart, and having a think, you're just dismissing it out of hand? Like so? WTF?

Stroll on, DC. Stroll on.

¬_¬

[From: cuntfucius]

I've been ranting that these white-coded ~colours of the rainbow~ aliens were stand-ins for POCs for a long, long time, and a huge part of my frustration with the GL franchise.

TY IAN FOR PROVING MY POINT

[From: hero_of_lallor]

Once we got past the 70's the multicolour metaphor in comics really doesn't stand up. I can appreciate those characters as a relic of a different time, anything later and they are avoiding something. There are priorities, and adding more red people is down the list.

[From: starwolf_oakley]

Sheesh. It's "Because Dan DiDio hates you, that's why" not "Because Dan DiDio hates you people." Someone got the meme wrong.

[From: nevermore999]

Hey, that was the response to my question! Yeah, I was like "...".

[From: minyandu.livejournal.com]

Just like the "fans ranting means good means emotional depth". This kind of response is just too ridiculously ridiculous that I almost found it hilarious. =_=

[From: adamant_ink]

........

Head, meet wall.

[From: sweettart1823]

You know I really don't like this Ian Sattler... Everything he says makes me roll my eyes and want to hit something. He's taking Didio's spot at the top of my 'people who I don't like in comics' list.

[From: fifthie]

In the words of the New Yorker,

"Christ, what an asshole."