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Be warned this post is going to have sixteen scans (of four issues). Oh and this is the infamous story involving Cassandra Cain written by Adam Beechen (Robin #148-149 plus Batgirl #52 & 73). You'll probably find yourself a member of the Red Lantern Corp after reading these scans if you're a fan of Cassandra Cain or Tim Drake. You've been warned.

I digress, before Gates of Gotham I reread this arc for a good laugh and I've been meaning to post it here (maybe there's a little Doctor Clayton Forrester in me to see if can drive any sane being truly mad). For you to look upon it with new eyes. Not ones tainted by rage, which ironically I was just that when this first came out (but then what fan wasn't after reading this).

Consider this a more rational look at why DC did what they did. And just how bad this story was equally bad for Tim then just Cass.

Now before this infamous issue this was the last time we saw Cassandra Cain was the final issue of her ongoing:

Just a mere three months later cue the One Year Later event:

Okay on one hand this is a loss to someone who played an important role in Tim's life. But on the other hand, this is to many plot hole number one given that in Cass's very own series (Batgirl #56 to be specific):

I don't think this has still ever been explained either by Beechen. How a dead girl ended up alive a year later and dead again. Still Beechen at least gives time to reflect on this poor soul who Tim once knew:

Okay, I can't help but imagine that if Tim a good detective can figure out the body has been dead for over three hours, I think a medical examiner could determine this fact as well. So why would Tim bother with this? The time of death would clear him of any wrong doing for the most part.

So anyway, Babs finds out via the police radio and informs the entire Bat Family of the news. One of the few things I actually appreciated was one person's reaction:

Really, the only thing I think Beechen ever got fully right with Cass was her relationship with Alfred. Maybe Gotham Knights was the only Cass book he read when doing research? Who knows.

The second thing about this page when re-reading this: who is that in the final panel? Shiva? Cass? I have to assume the former since at the time she was working for Babs due to a bet she had with Dinah (really one of the few OYL stories that actually was good).

Anyway, we then cut to a figure who was very prominent in Cass's last adventure as Batgirl:

Now okay, supposedly Cass was the one who killed Nyssa here. But unless she has the powers of the Flash she didn't commit this crime. So yeah maybe her ninja lackeys probably did. I still wonder and be damned if this could have been a better plot twist when eventually revealed. That in actuality this hit came from Slade, not Cass who did it as a favor to Talia. Considering what Nyssa did to her, you'd think the moment she snapped out of her funk she hire someone to do the deed.

Given that Talia went exactly to Slade during an arc of Batman & Robin, besides the whole Injustice League perhaps the partnership was a recurring one. Also technically, if you think about it Slade was in control of this sect of the League, not really Cass his "puppet".

Still, poor Nyssa. Really she's only mentioned one more time in this arc and that's it she's swept under the rug, never to be mentioned again period by anyone again.

Anyway back to the story. Tim decides to meet Bruce and inform him what's going on:

Tim then gives the let me prove I'm innocent and Bruce allows this. However curiously someone is watching them:

Okay that surely is Cass, but really we get no explanation from Beechen as to why she was watching him. I guess you could chalk it up to her just being curious and stalking Tim until he hit the showers (more on her infamous "obsession" with Tim in part 2).

So how does Tim decide to prove he's innocent? Why breaking into the police precinct that has Lynx's body.

Yeah it doesn't go as planned so not even two steps into the place he's fighting cops and later a special division of cops designed to handle Metahumans called the Specials. Still, he gets a piece of paper he finds in the mask Lynx wore. Meanwhile:

*sigh* Cass's second kill. Though again I have to ask about the time table of this story arc. Okay part 1 we see Cass actually stalking Tim. Yet it's only been a few hours or less since Tim's now playing hide and seek with cops. Yet, Cass seems to have acquired the powers of a speedster. Cause there's no other explanation other than super fast super sneaky ninja helicopter I'll accept.

As for Tim, he tricks the Specials with the oldest trick of the book:

I guess the Gotham Police Department really must be recruiting young to patrol the streets. So Tim goes back to his pad at Wayne Manor when he's paid a visit by Shiva. On the bright side it isn't in his bed. Still, she informs him of Nyssa being dead and won't say anything further. They then have a laced sub textual scuffle before Shiva exits.

You just gotta love that. I'm not even gonna touch the Navajo plot hole given it's been driven into the ground. But after watching an episode of Attack of the Fourth Wall, I think Linkara has it wrong. This has got to be the worst planned scheme someone has ever thought up.

I mean seriously, you kill an already dead person again. Frame Tim with the murder, yet stash a piece of paper in the mask betting that Tim would find it before the medical examiner would. Then make the dude who was framed for a previous crime commit an actual second crime (the first breaking into the police station above). And what is the entire point? Well as the caption says it'll be a "hard answers".

Part Two to be posted tomorrow.

Date: 2011-05-25 07:08 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mrstatham
Fair point, yes, although there's a distinct difference between fan dislike of a writer's take and what's actually correct. Again, I think McKeever has a better grasp of teenage characters than Simone - To portray a young woman of Charlie's age as hyper-competent consistently is just ridiculous. And given McKeever was hardly around long enough to kill the series - he jumped ship fairly immediately, I don't think the blame for the death of BOP vol 1 lies at his feet when everyone knows they wanted to make Barbara Batgirl again.

"Oh, Charlie was in the loop with Babs because of their personal relationship. I do realize that those who never liked the character would just like her to disappear completely, but again, don't forget that there were plenty of people who felt the same about Cass."

I still think there's a difference between knowing Barbara is still alive and being in the know regarding Oracle 2.0 or the Selfish Plan, as I like to call it. There's no need to have Charlie be in the know for something that could put her in danger because of the New Oracle or put Barbara in danger because of Charlie.

That said, I think the Death of Oracle story was bullshit anyway, but even so. I just don't see the need for her to be in the know when Barbara Gordon isn't claiming to be dead and Oracle was. The more people that know, the more liabilities there are to Barbara, which again goes against what her operation's meant to be about.

Date: 2011-05-25 07:35 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] ebailey140
McKeever didn't have enough time to wreck BoP? How long did it take Beechem to wreck Cass? A writer can do a lot of damage, very quickly. You see, McKeever making Charlie suddenly not only incompetant but a liability, otherwise, also damaged Barbara as a leader for letting this suddenly incompetant person on the team, and the rest of the Birds for accepting and supporting having Charlie there.

You're using McKeever's mishanding of Misfit to justify your dislike for the character. How is that not exactly like how Cass bashers use Beechem to justify their dislike of Cass?

"To portray a young woman of Charlie's age as hyper-competent consistently is just ridiculous."

Cass wasn't a whole lot older when she started as the hyper-competent Batgirl.

Date: 2011-05-25 07:43 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mrstatham
The idea of taking on Misfit into the group is preposterous anyway, and I'm not even using McKeever's run to try and justify it. The Birds are meant to be a fairly covert group with a secretive leader who uses technology to help from behind the scenes - And despite this, Barbara repeatedly gets herself and the others into deep shit - The first story of Simone's run saw Canary disabled and shackled to a bed - So why the Hell would they take on a sixteen year old? McKeever just highlighted the problems that were already there.

So as I say, I'm not even using McKeever to justify anything. Misfit's a problem that never rung true for me anyway. And as for Cass - She was trained entirely differently and it made sense as it was explained. Misfit, on the other hand, was confirmed to have come from a poor home with no real training before she met the Birds - And yet Simone portrayed her as someone who was capable of trailing them and finding Oracle on her own.

As for their mutual competence, Cass actually screwed up a bunch of times, even when written by her creator.

Date: 2011-05-25 08:01 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] ebailey140

Tim was even younger when he pulled that on Bruce and Dick, and he wasn't even a metahuman like Charlie.

Steph managed to hold her own, even taking down Robin and going on to save Batman's life with nothing more than some gadgets she got from the local Radio Shack. A while after her introduction, they retconned in a gymnastics background to explain how she was able to do the physical stuff.


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