Gwen Stacy, not as people remember
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No, the title is not a reference to Sins Past or any of that. Today we will look back at Gwen Stacy during the Steve Ditko days on Spider-Man. Gwen was a much different character during Ditko's days.

Here we see the first appearance of Gwen Stacy and Harry Osborn. Introduced through their introduction to another supporting character (Flash Thompson). I don't think this introduction is particularly memorable but we never really got any kind of build up to Gwen and Harry joining the cast (Aunt May was still trying to get Pete and MJ together during these days).

Gwen was attracted to Peter since the first time she saw him. Given this is probably only the 2nd or so time Aunt May was hanging on death's door, it's understandable that Peter is so worried about her (this is the Master Planner arc).

Peter doesn't appear to give the attractive blonde the time of day in favor of his science experiment. Reed Richards would be so proud.

The Professor is Miles Warren, who later goes crazy and clones Peter and Gwen because he is crazy.

Gwen is clearly attracted to men who ignore her. Don't believe me yet?


Now do you believe me?
Gwen dials up the nastiness now.

But in all fairness...

Peter later goes to a space exhibit and Gwen sees him on line. She thinks to herself that she will casually bump into him. It'll be her chance to get to know him.


(Gwen in the middle left panel looks really evil!)

(Gwen is actually a very nasty person under Ditko.)

But there was hints of actual romance in Ditko's last few portions.

Ditko's Gwen was a definite "Tsundere."
Certainly not at all what people remember about her, huh.

Here we see the first appearance of Gwen Stacy and Harry Osborn. Introduced through their introduction to another supporting character (Flash Thompson). I don't think this introduction is particularly memorable but we never really got any kind of build up to Gwen and Harry joining the cast (Aunt May was still trying to get Pete and MJ together during these days).

Gwen was attracted to Peter since the first time she saw him. Given this is probably only the 2nd or so time Aunt May was hanging on death's door, it's understandable that Peter is so worried about her (this is the Master Planner arc).

Peter doesn't appear to give the attractive blonde the time of day in favor of his science experiment. Reed Richards would be so proud.

The Professor is Miles Warren, who later goes crazy and clones Peter and Gwen because he is crazy.

Gwen is clearly attracted to men who ignore her. Don't believe me yet?


Now do you believe me?
Gwen dials up the nastiness now.

But in all fairness...

Peter later goes to a space exhibit and Gwen sees him on line. She thinks to herself that she will casually bump into him. It'll be her chance to get to know him.


(Gwen in the middle left panel looks really evil!)

(Gwen is actually a very nasty person under Ditko.)

But there was hints of actual romance in Ditko's last few portions.

Ditko's Gwen was a definite "Tsundere."
Certainly not at all what people remember about her, huh.
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Date: 2012-12-05 06:59 pm (UTC)Though it's definitely true that she "softened" a tremendous degree under later writers, she still often ran hot and cold even in those years. The first time I remember feeling like she was being "canonized" was...the old Marvels mini-series, I think?
Funny, if you sub out "Gwen Stacy" with "Emma Frost" all of these panels would seem nearly perfectly in-character.
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Date: 2012-12-05 07:52 pm (UTC)I like this Gwen. This seems to be where the Ultimate Gwen originated.
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Date: 2012-12-05 08:02 pm (UTC)Small note, I can't help but wonder why, when they called him on it, Peter didn't just explain that the woman who raised him was really sick and he was too busy to talk to them? I mean, they'd have to be seriously horrible people to not give him some consideration if they knew why he was always ignoring them.
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Date: 2012-12-06 01:33 am (UTC)It seems like you were just supposed to internalize stuff like that back then.
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Date: 2012-12-06 03:15 am (UTC)Anyway, you do see them laying the groundwork for softening her character here and there are other scenes like that from this period. I think that was the plan all along, as it was with MJ. Granted, Stan never got around to giving MJ any depth.
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Date: 2012-12-05 11:23 pm (UTC)Peter getting his own group of friends at ESU makes sense in a long-term story sense. Peter Parker: Social Misfit only goes so far, and then you wonder why Peter gives a crap if any of his mean classmates are threatened by supervillains.
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Date: 2012-12-06 08:53 pm (UTC)I think that was Amazing Spider-Man Classics. Oh, how I miss it. :'(
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Date: 2012-12-06 12:28 am (UTC)It is interesting to note how the characterization of Gwen Stacy's changed over the years, though I wonder how quickly they changed her into less of an unlikable person after Ditko left.
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Date: 2012-12-06 12:35 am (UTC)Romita's first issue.
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Date: 2012-12-06 01:29 am (UTC)The entire cast grew softer pretty much immediately after Romita took over. Probably the biggest example is Ned Leeds, who had gotten into an argument with Peter towards the end of Ditko's run. Once Romita took over, Peter and Ned quickly buried the hatchet.
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Date: 2012-12-06 05:00 am (UTC)I wonder if this was partly inspried by Ditko's belief in Objectivism; it's the whole hero dragged down by the mean, selfish people around him
(I should admit my opionon on Objectivism is a bit biased and based on a dislike of Atlas Shrugged. )
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Date: 2012-12-06 01:37 am (UTC)Romita!Gwen got mad and upset sometimes too often with really good motivation. I wish current comic writers/the writers and directors of the current film series would remember that, because Gwen as she was written when she was alive was a far more interesting and compelling character that way.
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Date: 2012-12-06 03:21 am (UTC)Gwen in most of the panels looks evil, but so does just about everyone else.
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Date: 2012-12-07 09:27 am (UTC)And then Peter, who KNOWS why they brushed him off, just responds with irritated jabs. I mean, man, I know you have problems, we're not denying it, but you're really making it easy to hate you.
And Gwen was a personality here. Very tsundere, as you said. It's cool, she's gorgeous, she's proud, but she's also got a bit of kindness.