Huntress out-stealths Batman yet again.
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When I first posted scans showing that Huntress could out-stealth Batman,
unknownscribler commented that Huntress probably wouldn't "be consistantly able to out stealth the bat, but I think it's good that she can beat him at his own game every so often." I recently discovered, thanks in no small part to
kingrockwell , yet another example of Huntress getting the drop on Batman:


I think she took that well. But in all seriousness, after the third time one character has managed to pretty thoroughly out-stealth the other, I think it might be reasonable to conclude that it's not a fluke. I also love this because it showcases Huntress' violent temper.
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I think she took that well. But in all seriousness, after the third time one character has managed to pretty thoroughly out-stealth the other, I think it might be reasonable to conclude that it's not a fluke. I also love this because it showcases Huntress' violent temper.
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Date: 2009-06-18 01:21 am (UTC)Turns out, it was actually King Snake.
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Date: 2009-06-18 01:23 am (UTC)One was already ruled out, since Bane had killed him himself to find out who his mother was.
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Date: 2009-06-18 11:14 am (UTC)Huh. You know, we haven't seen Bruce and Hel interact much since Dinah and Babs made him be nice to her. I wonder if he was just playing along to get them off his back, or if he's genuinely revised his opinion of her?
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Date: 2009-06-18 07:26 pm (UTC)Some new Bruce and Helena interaction could be interesting given the fact that they should be getting along better thanks to Babs and Dinah, but I've got a bad feeling that if it's not Simone or another BoP author writing them they'll just ignore the character development and snap back to the pre-BoP status quo.
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Date: 2009-06-18 08:01 pm (UTC)Well, that, and the whole "willing to kill people" thing (Babs knows about Helena's relationship to Cassamento, there's no way she hasn't connected the dots about his death), and the "I'll just be wearing your old costume and name without your permission" during No Man's Land (which was really more Bruce's betrayal than Helena's, because Helena had no way of knowing, but that didn't make it hurt less), and the "let me just raid your tower because we know you're the nerve center of the Blue Boys" business (even if she did turn around and fight Pettit in the end, it was really not Helena's finest or most heroic moment).
I sometimes wonder if the Helena-Babs relationship doesn't say more than it first appears about the Tim-Babs relationship, because Babs tolerated a lot more from Helena, pre-Hel-as-Bird, than she has from pretty much anyone else who isn't Bruce - particularly, things that put her father in danger - and yet not only basically left her alone, but even helped her on occasion, generally at Tim's instigation. His good word must mean a hell of a lot to her.
I've got a bad feeling that if it's not Simone or another BoP author writing them [...]
This is a concern I have not just about Bruce-Helena but about Helena in general. She's too grey a character for a lot of writers and too complex a character for a lot of others - easy to get wrong, and therefore endangered when out of reliable hands.
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Date: 2009-06-18 11:27 pm (UTC)Like a lot of morally grey characters (Jason Todd springs to mind as a recent example) Huntress can have difficulty when dealing with a writer who prefers to keep their morality black and white. Her temper is also a major character flaw that can end up getting exaggerated by writers who don't quite get all of the complex ins and outs of her character.
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Date: 2009-06-19 01:19 am (UTC)Eh. That's Dinah's line, but I don't buy it. Babs was hating on Helena from the beginning, long before either of them ever dreamed of hooking up with Dick. She flips out on Dinah for even thinking of teaming with Hel in the second Birds mini, Helena complains in the Annual flashback about how judgmental Oracle is, and her reaction to Dick actually sleeping with Helena when it finally does happen long after any of that is incredibly mellow and accepting. Dick calls her, naked, from Helena's kitchen no less, and Babs is nothing resembling jealous - she's maternal if anything, gently telling Dick he's being a dork and that it's not serious or workable between them. Contrast this to how livid she gets during NML when Hel wears the Bat, or raids her tower, or puts Jim in danger, or to how she behaves about Kory, who she does actually perceive as a threat.
Helena was barely a blip on Dick's radar, and all three of them know it. Babs feeling genuinely threatened by or jealous of that wouldn't make sense, and doesn't wash with the way she's been portrayed either then or after.
Jason Todd springs to mind as a recent example
The female Bats and the Even Robins have a lot of thematic overlap. Having to fight for a place in the Clan, being more willing to be brutal or even lethal, suffering ignominious fates, etc etc. Jason and Hel are especially close mirrors, both equal distance from the white hat/black hat line on opposite sides, him starting in the Clan and getting kicked out for his violence and her starting out of the Clan and being brought in for her mellowing out, both equally likely to be written as utterly deranged by writers who can't comprehend that they'd act the way they do if they weren't. And hey, Helena had rape retconned out of her backstory and Jason's just probably had rape retconned into his! The parallels are astounding. -_-
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Date: 2009-06-19 06:31 am (UTC)On the paralells between Helena and Jason, it's also worth mentioning that Helena came into the Bat-books pretty soon after Death in the Family. I suppose it says something about the nature of the Bat-Clan that the outsider who wants to get into the clan and tends to be a touch more willing to use lethal force is such a common theme.
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Date: 2009-06-18 07:15 am (UTC)I agree. So many people just cannot write Batman properly.
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Date: 2009-06-18 07:45 am (UTC)Fixed.
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Date: 2009-06-19 12:53 am (UTC)3 times.
3 times.
3, in 2 and a half decades or so?
Yeah, she's a master at stealth. The best. Even Superman can't see her, she's soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo good at it. GOD doesn't know when she's skulking around. And in case you can't tell, I am being SARCASTIC.{/HOMER SIMPSON}
Aaron "The Mad Whitaker" Bourque; yes, there are probably a few other such moments, the point is she's not consistently shown as being able to outstealth Batman. She's done it a handful, maybe a couple handfuls of times. Considering the collective creation that is comics, this really amounts to nothing.
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Date: 2009-06-19 12:57 am (UTC)Sucking on her anus in public though, isn't.
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