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A lot of us preferred the old pre-The Killing Joke Joker of the 70s and most of the 80s. Unlike the version since, there was so much variety in the types of stories you could do with him. You could do dark. You could do comedy. You could do dark comedy. It was whatever the writers felt like doing, that day.
Here's a story that was published the same day as The Killing Joke. The Joker has been contracted to kill the JLI. As this is the BWAHAHA era of the Justice League, you can guess how well that's going to go.

A cold, hard look into the terror and violence of insanity. Or something.
Scott and Barda are hosting a picnic. Bruce chooses not to attend, but the rest of the League will be there.
Some have some errands to run first, though. The Joker's contact has told him Rocket Red is at a bar with someone (a disguised J'onn). The Joker arrives, only to find the place too crowded.

Blue Beetle and Booster Gold are raiding a warehouse that's a front for the criminal organization The 1000 to repo a tank. It's got something called a "whisper drive," so the bad guys won't even hear them as they drive it off. This works until Beetle accidentally fires the cannon.


Next targets: Fire & Ice.


He learns about the picnic and where it will be. So, he'll be able to get them all at once.







A lot of us preferred the old pre-The Killing Joke Joker of the 70s and most of the 80s. Unlike the version since, there was so much variety in the types of stories you could do with him. You could do dark. You could do comedy. You could do dark comedy. It was whatever the writers felt like doing, that day.
Here's a story that was published the same day as The Killing Joke. The Joker has been contracted to kill the JLI. As this is the BWAHAHA era of the Justice League, you can guess how well that's going to go.

A cold, hard look into the terror and violence of insanity. Or something.
Scott and Barda are hosting a picnic. Bruce chooses not to attend, but the rest of the League will be there.
Some have some errands to run first, though. The Joker's contact has told him Rocket Red is at a bar with someone (a disguised J'onn). The Joker arrives, only to find the place too crowded.

Blue Beetle and Booster Gold are raiding a warehouse that's a front for the criminal organization The 1000 to repo a tank. It's got something called a "whisper drive," so the bad guys won't even hear them as they drive it off. This works until Beetle accidentally fires the cannon.


Next targets: Fire & Ice.


He learns about the picnic and where it will be. So, he'll be able to get them all at once.







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Date: 2015-03-02 12:54 pm (UTC)I guess you'd have to worry about Darkseid chilling on your couch by mistake, though.
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Date: 2015-03-03 04:16 am (UTC)That's why at the end of every July, people leave offerings on the street for him. Because DARKSEID SITS.
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Date: 2015-03-04 07:44 am (UTC)http://darkseidchillingonacouch.tumblr.com/
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Date: 2015-03-08 12:56 am (UTC)"...I will keep that in mind for next time. Do you know if the Frees are home? I have... business... to discuss with them."
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Date: 2015-03-02 03:03 pm (UTC)Also this is a nice one-off story. I admit my fondness of it is affected by having read it at a tender age and having strong memories of it. However, it's nice to see how it holds up as piece of comic-book storytelling.
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Date: 2015-03-02 04:08 pm (UTC)But for the record: I think you're rather overstating how much variety Joker stories in the '70s and '80s had. IMO, most of them were cookie-cutter hero-vs-villain plots, with the only real variable being how deadly Joker was allowed to be. "The Laughing Fish" aside, I can't remember a single one where he was particularly funny *or* scary.
(I say this as a guy who HATES "A Death in the Family" and Snyder's current God!Joker, mind you.)
This is a rare exception, but JLI was always famed for breaking every rule of superhero stories up till then. Giffen and DeMatteis remain one of those Dream Teams of superhero comedy.
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Date: 2015-03-02 07:35 pm (UTC)Batman and the Joker team up to investigate the murder of the Penguin in Brave and the Bold 191.
Superman and the Joker teaming up to deal with the Prankster in DC Comics Presents 41
I was partial to the concept of the story where the villains all claimed to have killed Batman, the execution not so much.
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Date: 2015-03-02 07:39 pm (UTC)Maybe it's time I re-read them, though...
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Date: 2015-03-03 12:06 am (UTC)That said, I do recall that his invitation to Jim Gordon in "Dreadful Birthday" was pretty hilarious.
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Date: 2015-03-03 11:03 am (UTC)Also the most fun Robin kidnapping in a good while.
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Date: 2015-03-02 04:50 pm (UTC)Or maybe it's Giffen trying write a murderous psycho for laughs that's tedious.
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Date: 2015-03-02 08:25 pm (UTC)Maybe because my prime comic years were in the 80s, when camp was on the way out, but it irks me to see the Joker talking about contracts like an assassin. With the added realism readers expect of Batman now, the only Joker that really complements the character is the vicious psychopath. 'The force of nature' Joker can be written in a number of ways, but I do agree that he's a narrower character to write for than in previous eras.
Ironic, considering who he is. He's batshit crazy (pun intended), the living embodiment of chaos (Snyder's run is having fun with this concept, from what I've seen), but he's bound to the tone of the protagonist. Personally, I don't appreciate the lighthearted Batman. I don't like losing sight of the fact that he's a deranged man in a deranged world, at least partly of his own making--that question of whether Batman combats the insanity of Gotham any more than he invites it fascinates me. As I prefer to think of it, Joker is what Batman compromises to avoid becoming. The Zur-En-Arhh Batman fighting the Joker almost came off as a crazy face-off--Joker had to literally fork his tongue to outdo unhinged crystal-meth Batman's delusional ramblings.
Speaking of delusional rambling--I should shut up now. Caffeine is a hell of a drug.
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Date: 2015-03-02 08:52 pm (UTC)http://scans-daily.dreamwidth.org/1373850.html
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Date: 2015-03-03 11:06 am (UTC)The Joker really does look crazed and scary!
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Date: 2015-03-03 12:01 am (UTC)There was always a method to the madness with the old Joker. He was a psychotic killer, but his insane schemes always turned out to be part of a plan to get whatever he was after, like money or revenge. He wasn't just killing people for the sake of it, as much as he clearly enjoyed it. The classic 40s & 70s versions of the Joker were a lot like the psychotic Irish gangster archetype, driven even crazier by that chemical dip. These men were violent, strangely charismatic, and unpredictably chaotic. The 1989 Batman film and the animated series made him literally that archetype.
Of course, I also have a different view of Batman than you describe. I see him as someone inspired by the deaths of his parents to make the world a better place, to protect the innocent, the knight fighting back the darkness, especially in Gotham. He's not just beating up bad guys, but helping Gotham through the Wayne Foundation and other charities.
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Date: 2015-03-03 08:11 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2015-03-03 11:38 pm (UTC)In short: I agree that grimdark Batman (the Modern Age one, not the original Golden Age, gun-wielding "Death...to Doctor Death" one) has its origin in TDKR.
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