Civil War II #3

[kojiro]

marvel revealed to New York daily news who will be dying tomorrow.
Newsarama has more details.

Comments

[an_idol_mind]

Here's how bad this event is: this is my favorite character of all time getting killed off. Instead of getting upset or outraged, my reaction is simply, "Whatever."

[thehood]

I do find it insulting that they seem to be ignoring the events of Greg Pak's book.

It's stated that's completely cured and yet here Bendis is saying that Banner has been taking medicine not to Hulk.

Also, "Anti-Hulk arrow "? Hulk can survive a nuke and adamantium bullets, but an arrow is going to do him in?

The only way itakes sense if it's proof that Banner couldn't Hulk out.

[starwolf_oakley]

Remember when Hawkeye thought killing was wrong to such a degree he divorced Mockingbird and made her quit the Avengers? Good times.

[cdamascus]

To be fair, we don't see here who actually fires the arrow, which would indicate to me that it's not who we would assume it would be.

[reveen]

So not a single one of those dozens of heroes and SHIELD craft saw the fucking shooter or arrow in flight in time to stop it? Spiderman, Vision, that Karnak dude? Fuckin' really?

[silicondream]

Oh, they all saw the arrow coming. But then they wondered about whether it was right to act on that kind of knowledge, and then they waged Civil Wars in their own minds, and by the time they snapped out of it the arrow had gone through his skull.

Except for Karnak. He could have saved Bruce at any time, but he saw the flaw in the idea that you should keep people from being shot in the head with arrows. (The flaw is that it's kind of a hassle.)

[informationgeek]

It's already gone, the link to the article.


Anyhow, Marvel... what the fuck is this? Seriously, what the fuck is this? Do you have something against quality in your events? Just... just no. No.

[kojiro]

Sorry, I posted the link wrong.

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/exclusive-marvel-kills-major-hero-killer-shocker-article-1.2708495

[laughing_tree]

Since we don't seem to actually see who shot the arrow, I'll hold out hope that it's a frame job.

[speedingtortoise]

Same here. It would be kind of hard to like Hawkeye at all after this. :p

[q99]

Hm, anti-Gamma arrow or something...? Banner normally reflexively changes...

[kojiro]

The article says its a special anti-Hulk arrow, though Bruce was apparently depowered anyway,

[donnblake]

One, that arrow is clearly the Impossible Man in disguise. You heard it here first.

Second- is it just me, or does gathering all the heroes in one place and then trying to kill Banner seem like a great way to make sure that that prophecy *does* come true.

[silicondream]

Yeah, at this point I'm convinced Captain Marvel just wants Medusa dead. There's no other reason she'd keep throwing her at class 100+ bricks. And why is Maria Hill standing in front of a soon-to-be-murderous Hulk?

If you think Banner's going to flip out, just teleport him to Antarctica or somewhere and have Thor talk to him. Maybe send Ben Grimm and Wolverine along too if you think Thor needs backup. Have some psychics waiting at a distance in a shielded location. Leave all the other fragile meatbags at home.

[matrix_dragon]

God dammit Marvel, can you please A) stop giving away spoilers to the media before the damn comic comes out, and B) STOP HAVING HEROES KILLED BY OTHER HEROES! They're the good guys, dammit! This is super villain behaviour!

[thatnickguy]

It's shit like this that makes me glad I'm not buying anything from either DC or Marvel these days. I'll stick with Image.

[lbd_nytetrayn]

More of an Archie/IDW man, myself.

...not counting the Marvel movies, because I am all over those.

[silicondream]

Is there ever going to be a scene in this story where Ulysses' predictions are actually a problem? Because so far, it's just him giving the heroes some perfectly useful piece of info, and then they go and do something stupid and people die. The moral isn't that they shouldn't be acting based on prophecies; it's that they shouldn't be acting at all, because they're incompetent.

[lilacsigil]

Yeah, that's what I'm getting from the situation. Ms Marvel has done a few low-level things that worked out okay in her own book, but if the standard is "the newbie teenager took down some low-level threats", that's not much of a standard.

[laughing_tree]

I sincerely and genuinely believe the requirement to kill a major character every quarter, whether it came from bean-counters, editorial, some exec or whoever, was one of the worst things to ever happen to Marvel.

[q99]

Yeees, I find character deaths are one of the weakest parts of superhero comics.

And, once they're down the *really* huge ones who can come back, I worry about them killing characters who can't take the hit so well (as in, the 'time spent not having stories put out about them' downtime).

[tigerkaya]

Huh that happened I give it a year before everyone returns.

[thehood]

Or less. Shit, i expect Banner to be back by the next Thor film.

[captainbellman]

It's Final Crisis all over again. "The stakes are so high that they looped back to there being no stakes at all, because you all know from experience that this BS never lasts and reality will be rebooted and everyone will be brought back sooner or later!"

[starwolf_oakley]

Well in FINAL CRISIS we found out Bruce Wayne had been sent back in time in the very next issue. But only the readers knew that.

[super_fly]

Hold on: purple shaft, green head... that arrow is a SKRULL!

Secret Invasion II confirmed guys.

[owlbrigade1]

So Bruce is off at the pearly gates and getting the old super-hero welcome from St Peter. The superhero welcome is different from the normal welcome, because superheroes get their hand stamped so they get back into the mortal realm again if they want.

Marvel and DC both need to stop hanging their events on somebody dying. We never believe it, and it never sticks.

[cainofdreaming]

So, will Hawkeye insist that he go to prison and serve the full term, like he did for Mach I-don't-even-know-how-many-any-more (though Abe got free before that thanks to secret bureaucratic organization number x to nth power)?

How many years would twenty comic time years be in real years anyway? And would Franklin be any taller by that time? Inquiring minds want to know.

[chrisdv]

...I think I'll make mine DC.

[informationgeek]

"“This is uncharted territory for us,” Marvel Editor in Chief Axel Alonso told the Daily News."

No it's not. You've killed characters off plenty of times.


""Fans may be outraged, and there are probably ‘Hawkeye’ writers who I'm very good friends with who will also be offended," said Brian Michael Bendis, the writer of the "Civil War II" event series. "But the point is that everything that happens in this issue is in character when you discover the hows and whys and wheres."

Only according to your retcons and ability to ignore everything else in the Marvel Universe.'


"Right now I can tell you this is the real deal," says Bendis. "I can't speak for the future, I honestly can't, who knows what will happen? But I already have plans for the body (in upcoming issues.)"

He'll be back around the time there is a movie that features him.

[chrisdv]

So next year, then.

[angelophile]

Wut?

[lieut_kettch]

There is one thing that could be worse than having Clint take the killshot: WHAT IF IT'S KATE?

[informationgeek]

No, it's Clint.

There's a trial and everything for him. He gets off though using the police defense "well I thought he was going to be trouble so I killed him*.

[captainbellman]

Based on the differences - both the discontinuity with Greg Pak's Hulk book and the panel (not shown here) where they apprehend classic-look MODOK (i.e., minus the baldness and spider-legs which he retains in "Unbelievable Gwenpool"), it seems more and more like Ulysses' powers have merely started a divergent timeline, which will be cleaned up by the end.

Of course, it may be that they're just making mistakes and I'm crediting them with too much cleverness. Who can say.

[thehood]

Probably the latter. Honestly, it comes off as Bendis not respecting Pak's work.

[grapeweasel]

Ralph Wiggum: Was Dr. Banner okay?

Miss Hoover: He was fine. Go home, Ralph.

[scorntx]

Y'know, I don't even know if I'm all the way up to feeling apathetic about this.
That's how little this book is doing.

[tcampbell1000]

Just got back from my weekly bike trip to the comic shop.

This is one time you simply can't have an informed opinion without reading more from the comic than is shown here. (And I say this as someone who's rushed to judgment based on excerpts when I shouldn't have, myself.)

I'm not promising you'll like the end result, but there's more to this surprise death scene-- with more complicated legal and moral implications-- than "Clint got an itchy trigger finger."

[thehood]

But even in context it still has issues. One of them being that it contradicts what's going on in the current Hulk book.

[sarahnewlin]

Oh hi Storm I see you. Where's Betsy? :(

I never liked Hawkeye as a character. I don't know why. Always preferred Kate. Wonder how she's going to take finding out Clint murdered Bruce.

[thehood]

I don't think she has ever met Bruce though.