The Ultimates #4

[superboyprime]

"You will not be able to understand the next phase of the marvel universe without mlutiple copies of these comics." - Deniz Camp

Comments

[ironymaiden]

This feels very... recycled.

Is it better with more context?

[redorion]

I think the full issue is pretty neat, each panel has a story that continues in the same panel of the next page instead of the panel below it and so on through the full book.

The top panels tells the story of Ultimate Reed’s life up to the rocket launch (and reveals the Maker secretly altered his calculations), the second panels tells the story of what happened in the aftermath of the Maker’s interference and how he tortured Ultimate Reed into being Doom, the third panel is Doom looking through the Maker’s file on 616 and then using the Immortus engine to basically rewatch the second panel and the fourth is the present Doom arguing with Tony over what he’s working on.

[agharta75]

And make sure those copies are prebagged and that you get all the variant covers.

[cainofdreaming]

"What are we going to do tomorrow night?"
"Same thing we do every night -- die in horrible agony from the inhumane experiments we are subjected to."

[full_metal_ox]

Am I the only one who’d like to see a Zoo Crewesque comic about the Fantastic Mice?

(With a brightly colored and comparatively light-hearted approach—until some pizza cutter inevitably goes and turns that grimdark.)

[giraffesforever]

Remind me, is this Doom a Reed or a Victor? And he's made by the Maker for... reasons? To control his no-heroes world? After Maker set up death of of in-universe FF? I swear, I can handle time travel or multiple universes, but not both.

[scorntx]

This Doom is the Reed of Earth-6160, who the Maker abducted and tortured for Reasons (reasons not explicitly specified, but probably including spite, revenge, preventing him becoming a hero, and also fear).

Though the Maker's words as he's doing it raise an interesting possibility (*dons tinfoil hat*) he's not using this Reed as a voodoo doll for anything the other Reeds or Dooms have done, but is using him to vent some issues a bit closer to home.

[cainofdreaming]

If he does this to Reed out of spite then I dread as to what he did to neo-Ultimate Universe Bobby Da Costa.

[scorntx]

Indeed.
I mean, NUU Roberto's dad is part of his inner circle, so one of the lighter options is Roberto might just be spoiled, lazy or evil.
(Though issue 2 had someone who looked an awful lot like 'Berto in a flashback. So there's a ray of hope.)

Kind of figured there was one character Maker absolutely would have murdered up good out of spite, but the covers for upcoming issues suggest otherwise.

[mastermahan]

This Doom is the local Reed Richards. Why exactly Ultimate Reed has been messing with his counterpart is unclear, though simple spite seems likely.

I'm also pretty sure no one in this universe knows the Maker is a Reed Richards.

[scorntx]

Reed did seem to know in the Ultimate Universe one-shot, but the recap page for this issue suggests he doesn't.
Given Reed's mental state, his having memory problems wouldn't be surprising.

(Maybe he is aware during his more ludic moments, but then forgets when he isn't?)

[beyondthefringe]

I suspect spite, and also the potential usefulness that is another Reed Richards' worth of genius lying around to be tapped or exploited.

[super_fly]

Also I assume he had the real Doom dealt with, but you gotta have a Doom to thwart constantly.

[arilou_skiff]

I *think* it seems like he feels that for whatever reason he needed a Doom for his own personal development or whatever.