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You got to wonder if the original plan was to kill off the Justice league. But when the audience were incredibly pissed at the "disrespectful deaths" treatment batman and the rest of the league got. Rocksteady panicked and introduced this namby-pamby milque toast ending.

But unfortunately,it look like Wonder Woman really is the only one that died in the fighting a clone Superman.

Date: 2025-01-19 05:30 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] beyondthefringe
"They were all clones" is indeed a weak ass-pull solution.

Date: 2025-01-19 09:41 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] deh_tommy
Let’s get one thing out of the way first: the Justice League were never going to stay dead. It had been datamined since launch that they were all going to come back. Jason Schreier revealed in his exposé on the game’s tumultuous development that the plan was after the shock of evil triumphing over good and things looking hopeless for the world (not because Brainiac killed the League but because Waller and A.R.G.U.S. are triumphant and finally unopposed), each subsequent season would be about resurrecting them one by one and the Squad going on to rescue them, culminating in Season 5 or 6 where the Squad and the League all team up to take down the final Brainiac.

There were a good few clues in the base game that hint to Brainiac messing with the League on a much deeper level than just brainwashing — for instance, Flash’s thumb seems to have grown back following his capture after Boomerang accidentally cut it off at the beginning of the game; Green Lantern’s ring acts all funky - his constructs don’t disappear after his death, he can use it to kill, it turns anyone who wears it into a Green Lantern (and when King Shark wears it he falls into a trance and turns on the rest of the Squad which is completely out of character for him), and it doesn’t seek out a new host; Batman is able to survive getting pumped full of lead and Lex’s experiments on him after his capture confirm Brainiac’s corruption goes right down to their DNA; although it still wounds him, Superman’s able to tank getting speared through the heart by a slab of green kryptonite; most importantly, Brainiac recovers all their bodies after death to distribute their powers and skills to the rest of his forces and King Shark even speculates that Brainiac could try to revive the League.

However, I do think the idea that “they were all clones” is a last-minute desperate buttpull because it’s clear the original idea was they were the actual League corrupted. When you go to rescue the Flash, he still has his thumb. When you go to rescue Green Lantern, even though he’s himself again he’s still got Braniac eyes and a gaping bullet wound in his forehead from where Deadshot killed him. If they were clones, wouldn’t Brainiac mass-produce them? Batman in the core game constantly alludes to a “Project K” nearing completion up until Green Lantern’s boss fight, which is clearly supposed to insinuate that Superman’s corruption is taking a lot longer than the rest’s did (otherwise he’d just show up and immediately wipe the floor with everybody) - it wouldn’t take that long for Brainiac to grow a clone. There’s this really sad moment where Wonder Woman is able to bind the Flash with the lasso of truth and he briefly snaps out of the corruption to tell her that the only way to stop them is to kill them - if he was a clone, why would he snap out of brainwashing when Brainiac had them readily-made loyal to him? Brainiac flat out tells you he’s resurrected the League after you go rescue them.

Most damningly, cut content and voice lines show that the League were supposed to have unlocked new missions after you rescue them but would also struggle with brief lapses into Brainiac-psychosis, necessitating keeping them in cryotubes while the support squad worked on curing them (though in reality Waller not so secretly wanted to reverse-engineer Brainiac’s corruption techniques to keep the League and the Squad under her thumb). Obviously this never came to fruition because Season 1 bombed and a skeleton crew’s been put in place since then. And don’t get me started on how Batman apparently planned the whole thing when he couldn’t possibly have accounted for any of it and if he did that just makes him look awful because Wonder Woman and hundreds of thousands of others are dead for good (yeah, yeah, Deathstroke suggests Wonder Woman can come back through divine intervention, but it’s not like we’re ever actually gonna see it).

Since the game was a financial disappointment that just kept bleeding money the longer it went on because nobody ever seems to realise the true cost of doing a live-service game, they had to wrap it up like this. At least it is an ending. It could have been a lot worse if that was the real final fate of Arkham Batman while Brainiac never got defeated.


In spite of it all, I hold a special place in my heart for this game. Rocksteady’s attention to detail is all over this: the presentation is phenomenal, the moment to moment gameplay is a lot of fun and the boss fights against the League are a real highlight. But the need to make it live-service really crippled it. A shame too, since I do genuinely think it had a lot of potential. It should have taken a few more pages from Destiny or Borderlands or even the Arkham games where there’s actual dedicated levels and variety and stuff to do instead of just shooting hordes of enemies in circular arenas.
Edited Date: 2025-01-19 09:43 am (UTC)

Date: 2025-01-19 06:36 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] tcampbell1000
I'm not qualified to speak about the gameplay here, but the story is literally the most charmless thing I could imagine DC producing. I know fans are hard to please, but this is one time the fan reaction was 100% justified. Involving Harley Quinn, one of the few prominent DC characters with a consistent sense of humor, usually helps. In this case, it just makes this tacked-on apology of an ending look even more desperate. "WE DIDN'T MEAN ANYTHING, GUYS! PROMISE! IT WAS ALL A HOAX! YA LIKE US AGAIN, RIGHT? LISTENNA MY NEW YAWK ACCENT UNTIL YA DO!"

Date: 2025-01-19 06:51 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] thanekos
Should've just made it " Kill The Crime Syndicate ".

(Yeah, " Kill The Justice League " has more name recognition - but you've already got that with " Suicide Squad ", the one that had two movies in theaters to " Justice League "'s one. Just do " The plot's taken us all to Earth-3 - Brainiac, probably, he's sci-fi enough for it - and we've got to kill evil versions of those heroes to get back. ", and you're off to the races.)

Date: 2025-01-19 08:45 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] deh_tommy
” Should've just made it " Kill The Crime Syndicate ".



I think people would have been a little more lenient to this one if it was better (or at least wasn’t charged full price for whatever reason), but it’d still take a LOT to sell anyone on the idea of killing off not just the Justice League but specifically the hero of a critically acclaimed video game trilogies that people have a lot of fond memories for. I appreciate the story as is, but it’s still weird how the game that’s about the Bat family after Batman dies when the Batcave blows up is the one in its own original universe while the one where you kill the Justice League before they’ve properly been established and Batman is still running around being Batman publicly is the one in the established continuity.

Maybe they could have actually had you, y’know, kill some Justice Leagues and have the Brainiacs be unique boss fights? One of the big twists in the story is that Brainiac actually hails from another reality and he’s pulled this exact invasion plan across multiple different Earths already. What happened to their Leagues? Instead Brainiac just turns himself into copies of them and you have to repeat the same three boss fight nine times in a row.

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