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scans_dailyThere are some interesting things about the Joker in the DARK KNIGHT RETURNS. He has white instead of red lips, he doesn't wear his "traditional" purple suit, and he doesn't laugh insanely or even smile *that* much. Anyway...
I've wondered if the deep voice John DiMaggio uses for the Joker in "Under the Red Hood" would work for this cooler, or colder, Joker. And Miller does seem to be giving the Joker a Jack Nicholson-esque look, three years before Tim Burton's Batman movie.
10 pages from a 45 page story in DARK KNIGHT RETURNS #3
As I've said before, Dr. Bartholomew Wolper looks remarkably like F. Murray Abraham. Some of the stuff he says sounds downright idiotic, which was probably part of the point.
The idea of "costumed crazies" wanting to try their luck against Batman (threatening Gothamites in the process) has some merit. It's the reason Bane first came to Gotham City. A deleted scene in "Batman Forever" has a reporter (named Kenneth Frequency) comment on it as well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEGl8FJ99sg
It's a little tricky to follow, but I'm guessing Batman is fighting Yindel's SWAT team on the roof of the studio in the next few pages.
That last panel has Superman, commenting a lot on "us" (superheroes) vs. "them" (regular people). Most of Superman's thoughts in issue #3 go on about how Bruce "was the one they used against us."
Batman has similar thoughts in issue #4, thinking, "You sold us out, Clark. You gave them power that should have been ours." Now, Batman having contempt for "regular people" is *very* interesting.
A Batman who resents the "normal" people of Gotham City but can't stop himself from beating up criminals. Hmm. Would that be a joke?
Selina Kyle has thoughts about how the world has changed and Batman just doesn't realize that. As this was done before BATMAN: YEAR ONE it must be the first time Frank Miller used his "Catwoman was a prostitute!" idea.
Via one of Selina's girls, the Joker gets one Congressman to shout for a nuclear strike on Corto Maltese before jumping/falling to his death. It's not like the Joker to get all "political," even if you ignore the whole "mind control lipstick" element.
"And it would never be enough." Sheesh. Is the Joker a homicidal maniac who is obsessed with Batman, or is he a homicidal maniac *because* he's obsessed with Batman?
Years if not decades later, and that Irving, CA kid still cracks me up.
The Joker's "This is too weird" line means that Batman isn't acting like himself. After all, Batman did lodge a batarang in the Joker's eye.
I'm also adding a page as I'm a little confused over the "fight" between Robin (Carrie Kelly) and Abner (the fat guy who builds the Joker's stuff).
For years I've been uncertain what happens to Abner here. For a while I thought the track turned sharply and he lost his balance. Now it looks like another section of track hit him and sent him flying. Any ideas?
The last two pages are the Joker's spine going like celery.
I've wondered if the deep voice John DiMaggio uses for the Joker in "Under the Red Hood" would work for this cooler, or colder, Joker. And Miller does seem to be giving the Joker a Jack Nicholson-esque look, three years before Tim Burton's Batman movie.
10 pages from a 45 page story in DARK KNIGHT RETURNS #3
As I've said before, Dr. Bartholomew Wolper looks remarkably like F. Murray Abraham. Some of the stuff he says sounds downright idiotic, which was probably part of the point.
The idea of "costumed crazies" wanting to try their luck against Batman (threatening Gothamites in the process) has some merit. It's the reason Bane first came to Gotham City. A deleted scene in "Batman Forever" has a reporter (named Kenneth Frequency) comment on it as well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEGl8FJ99sg
It's a little tricky to follow, but I'm guessing Batman is fighting Yindel's SWAT team on the roof of the studio in the next few pages.
That last panel has Superman, commenting a lot on "us" (superheroes) vs. "them" (regular people). Most of Superman's thoughts in issue #3 go on about how Bruce "was the one they used against us."
Batman has similar thoughts in issue #4, thinking, "You sold us out, Clark. You gave them power that should have been ours." Now, Batman having contempt for "regular people" is *very* interesting.
A Batman who resents the "normal" people of Gotham City but can't stop himself from beating up criminals. Hmm. Would that be a joke?
Selina Kyle has thoughts about how the world has changed and Batman just doesn't realize that. As this was done before BATMAN: YEAR ONE it must be the first time Frank Miller used his "Catwoman was a prostitute!" idea.
Via one of Selina's girls, the Joker gets one Congressman to shout for a nuclear strike on Corto Maltese before jumping/falling to his death. It's not like the Joker to get all "political," even if you ignore the whole "mind control lipstick" element.
"And it would never be enough." Sheesh. Is the Joker a homicidal maniac who is obsessed with Batman, or is he a homicidal maniac *because* he's obsessed with Batman?
Years if not decades later, and that Irving, CA kid still cracks me up.
The Joker's "This is too weird" line means that Batman isn't acting like himself. After all, Batman did lodge a batarang in the Joker's eye.
I'm also adding a page as I'm a little confused over the "fight" between Robin (Carrie Kelly) and Abner (the fat guy who builds the Joker's stuff).
For years I've been uncertain what happens to Abner here. For a while I thought the track turned sharply and he lost his balance. Now it looks like another section of track hit him and sent him flying. Any ideas?
The last two pages are the Joker's spine going like celery.
Re: Have always thought that too..
Date: 2010-07-16 11:36 am (UTC)I don't know who I'd cast as Norman now. The best contender would probably be Hugo Weaving, but some idiot at Marvel has wasted the chance of that happening by casting him as the Red Skull, and so they'll never use him in the new Spiderman series.. (Sigh!)
But I know what you mean about William Dafoe. I haven't seen Streets of Fire, but my first experience of him as a villain was in Wild at Heart. And he creeped the hell out of me! He made Nicholas cage seem quite normal by comparison. Heck even when he was playing a hero in White Sands he seemed like he might turn at any moment and take someone out!
Re: Have always thought that too..
Date: 2010-07-16 12:46 pm (UTC)I recommend 'Streets of Fire'. It's a cult film, so you'll either love it or hate it, but I'm certainly in the former category, and while Dafoe doesn't have a hugely visible part in it, he makes the most of what screen time he's got. (He also wears a pair of overalls that are a sight to behold - as one website reviewer put it, they 'appear to be made of trash bags', although they're probably leather or something. Either way, they make for a memorable visual.)