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I have mixed feelings about teenage sidekick Jailbait and her relationship with Incorruptible's villain-turned-hero protagonist, Max Damage. It's unclear yet whether she'll be more than a source of Maxangst, and her sexual relationship with Max is explicitly statutory rape: Max's age is 28-30; Jailbait is sixteen and was fifteen when they met. (In a brothel!)

But I nonetheless enjoy Jailbait as a character, in a series with a surprisingly large percentage of female characters in its small cast. And I still find Max/Jailbait oddly adorable, in large part due to the scans below.

Half a page from Incorruptible #4 (art by Jean Diaz) and 4 pages from Incorruptible #7 (art by Horacio Domingues) below cut. Mark Waid is the writer.



Without telling her first, Max tries in Incorruptible #4 to teleport Jailbait to another dimension, away from the crazy superhero trying to kill everyone. Jailbait does not take this news well.

I'm amused by Max's :( faces on this page.

Incorruptible 4

Because it's just one of those weeks for Jailbait, running away from Max finds her kidnapped and held hostage against Max by a villain. Max rescues her, but not before Jailbait (real name Terri) gets one of her fingers cut off.

Max has her taken to the emergency room incognito, so his presence won't draw further attention to her. In issue #7, Terri wakes up in the hospital.

Max & Terri 1

Max, were you lurking in that closet expecting her to come out or were you lurking there just to LURK?

Max & Terri 2
This is an amazingly gutsy and/or insane thing for Terri to say after she's just had a finger cut off. (Although if you count the fingers on the bandaged hand in the third panel, there's 1-2-3-4-5. Whoops! Did she get it sewn back on or can she regenerate like a starfish?)

In the first panel below, Terri squishing herself to Max's chest is painfully cute.

Max & Terri 3

Max & Terri 4


When he wakes up, she's gone. (D'awwww, sleepcute!)


Kinda-sorta-related, I really like the idea behind Max's powers, superstrength and invulnerability that increase the longer he's awake. It's a very simple premise that gives him incredibly dangerous potential, but has the equally dangerous drawbacks of numbing most of his senses and making him increasingly careless from sleep deprivation.

Buuuut yeah, I'm mostly posting this for the sleepcute.
 

Date: 2010-12-21 06:59 pm (UTC)
misterbug: (Default)
From: [personal profile] misterbug
...And now that I know Max has that powerset, my mind instantly sidetracks into 'Waking Dreams Mini In Which Max Visits The Dreaming And Becomes Drinking Buds With Abel'.

You can have that one, DC and Boom!. Yummy.

Date: 2010-12-21 08:16 pm (UTC)
thehefner: (Default)
From: [personal profile] thehefner
Boom!. Yummy

Heeeee, Shore Leave.

Date: 2010-12-21 08:20 pm (UTC)
misterbug: (Default)
From: [personal profile] misterbug
Somehow I knew you'd catch that one.

Date: 2010-12-21 08:24 pm (UTC)
thehefner: (Default)
From: [personal profile] thehefner
I say that line far too often in my daily life. My girlfriend isn't sick of it just yet.

Date: 2010-12-21 08:35 pm (UTC)
misterbug: (Default)
From: [personal profile] misterbug
I have vague urges to whisper 'Sphinx!' occasionally in daily life, but I've held back...thusfar.

Date: 2010-12-21 08:39 pm (UTC)
thehefner: (Default)
From: [personal profile] thehefner
Really, you must actually hear the word "Sphinx" mention so rarely in your daily life that it seems perfectly reasonable to allow the echo when appropriate!

Date: 2010-12-21 09:10 pm (UTC)
misterbug: (Default)
From: [personal profile] misterbug
Ah, if only I'd taken that Egyptology Is The Career For Your Lifetime To Be Wasted On pamphlet...

Date: 2010-12-21 08:20 pm (UTC)
stolisomancer: (Default)
From: [personal profile] stolisomancer
Incorruptible is so much better than Irredeemable that it's really kind of surreal, and this is a big part of it.

Date: 2010-12-21 08:23 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] pyrotwilight
I don't know about that. They're both very good but even I'll admit all of the action is going on in Irredeemable so far. Meanwhile Incorruptible is less about the entire world but at the psyche of a guy like Max trying to become a hero and accepted. Macro vs micro and all that.

I think it's just that in Irredeemable we keep seeing dark secrets coming out of the wazoo but we see genuinely happy moments and fun in this one that'd make it seem better.

Date: 2010-12-21 08:29 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] stolisomancer
Mostly it's that Irredeemable has more characters, so it of necessity moves much more slowly. It has its satisfying moments, but Incorruptible is a better month-to-month read.

I should sit down and see if Irredeemable reads better in TPB. I suspect it probably does.

Re: Redemption story > Superdickery

Date: 2010-12-22 01:32 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] stolisomancer
I think the best equivalent to Max is someone like the Rhino to Spider-Man: a decidedly second-tier but significant member of the rogues' gallery.

I wish I knew Superman's villains well enough at the moment to make that comparison, but I'm a few years out of date on that. Maybe the Parasite?

Re: Redemption story > Superdickery

Date: 2010-12-22 04:54 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] arbre_rieur
Waid has said the stuff in INCORRUPTIBLE was originally supposed to be part of IRREDEEMABLE. Not the character of Max Damage specifically, but the whole exploration of how the Plutonian's actions are affecting the little people and the rest of the world. He spun it off into its own book because the Paradigm ended up being much more prominent characters than he originally planned, leaving no room.

Re: Redemption story > Superdickery

Date: 2010-12-21 10:14 pm (UTC)
stolisomancer: (Default)
From: [personal profile] stolisomancer
Yeah, it's really just a question of one book having a stronger immediate concept than the other. Irredeemable by necessity has to build an entire superhero universe from the ground up while it's being destroyed, and while it's done a very good job of that, there does not seem to be a good way of doing so without it being somewhat clumsy.

Part of it's the characters, though. About the only characters I like in Irredeemable are Volt and sometimes Kaidan. Incorruptible doesn't have a dud in the bunch.

Re: Redemption story > Superdickery

Date: 2010-12-22 01:37 am (UTC)
stolisomancer: (Default)
From: [personal profile] stolisomancer
Watchmen is a good comparison. It's weird, but I wouldn't have made it on my own, maybe because it's such an omnipresent influence in cape books. Any superhero/villain with a neurosis or dysfunction has got the Watchmen stamp on there.

Date: 2010-12-22 03:44 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] jaybee3
I agree. I'm so over the Plutonian and all the angst of his former buddies already. It's like a mini-series that's gone on too long (like the Twin Peaks of comics). Max's story however is interesting and just keeps getting better, the idea of a B-List super-vilian becoming an A-List super-hero and how that plays out is really interesting.

Date: 2010-12-22 04:50 am (UTC)
arbre_rieur: (Default)
From: [personal profile] arbre_rieur
I really like both series, but vastly preferring one over the other doesn't strike me as that odd. Besides being set in the same world, the two really have very little in common when you get down to it.

Date: 2010-12-21 08:26 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] pyrotwilight
"This is an amazingly gutsy and/or insane thing for Terri to say after she's just had a finger cut off. (Although if you count the fingers on the bandaged hand in the third panel, there's 1-2-3-4-5. Whoops! Did she get it sewn back on or can she regenerate like a starfish?)"

Before looking for her and her recovery here the villain sent Max her finger as a sign he had her, presumably they sewed it back on.

Date: 2010-12-22 05:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] djt2445.livejournal.com
An earlier panel showed she -was- missing the little finger on her bandaged hand; it's a stump, basically, just hard to tell from that distance, but if you look closer in the other panels, you'll see the stump.

Date: 2010-12-21 11:29 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] shadeedge
Can't say i'm a fan of that panel looking straight down the cleavage of an explicitly underage girl. But I suppose it could have been worse.

Date: 2010-12-22 04:15 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] proteus_lives
I do enjoy this series.

Max's face turn is one of the most convincing I've seen in years.

Date: 2010-12-22 06:05 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] psychopathicus_rex
Am I the only one who wants to suggest to Max that he and Jailbait move to the UK? 16 is the age of consent there; their relationship might still be seen as skeevy by some, but not as illegal or immoral.
Also, what happened to Headcase, the replacement/fill-in Jailbait? Is she still around?

Date: 2010-12-22 08:30 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] psychopathicus_rex
I hope Headcase does stick around - I like her.
My theory is that eventually they'll BOTH be his sidekicks at the same time. Wouldn't that be interesting?

Date: 2010-12-23 10:50 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] bradhanon
UK hell; if she's 16, their relationship is legal in 38 of 50 states, according to the site I just checked.

I've never quite understood why 18 is considered the magic number by Americans when that's actually not true a majority of the time.

Date: 2010-12-23 11:49 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] psychopathicus_rex
It's possible that it's a result of Hollywoodization - a lot of legal details in American movies and TV are based on California laws, because most of them are produced in LA and a good deal of writers for such things are evidently too lazy to research the law beyond their own state. (There's also the fact that it's illegal in twelve states, which makes traveling around risky. It's like prostitution being legal in Nevada - you can officially list your profession as 'hooker' if you live there, but it'll get you in trouble if you go out-of-state.)

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