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So you survived Robin OYL and Supergirl #14. Now can you endure the next chapter of Cassandra Cain's villainous career, Titans East?!


Be warned there will be a TON of scans featured in this entry. This story isn't for the timid either!

Once more prepare yourself for more:



So here we are at Titans East, the event DC promised we get true answers as to why Cass went evil! And it's the turning point for Cass's EVIL career.. well with one more surprise road bump (more on that at the end).

There's a lot of Titans East to cover (so much like Raven's hypno-ass, Rose/Jericho scenes, Titans East attack on the Titans, and Cassie's teenage angst over Kon). So I'm only including the Cass portions since it makes things so much easier. That starts when Cyborg and Miss Martian pay latest Titans traitor Bombshell a visit. It doesn't last long though when some unexpected guests drop in:





Thankfully, Sean McKeever did a great deed for the world and retconned this death. So one less death on EVIL Cass's hand. With this the Titans East strike and all the Titans save for Rose and Jericho get caught. Each are put through their own little hell. Which leads us to Tim's:






So there we have it folks! The answer as to why Cassandra is evil! She was hopped up on Slade juice. .... Ew. As to how this all happened. Well during this time period DC promised us more answers and to get those we had to look at 52: World War III for them. The thing is though.. we don't really get a full answer or shown the scene where Slade captures Cass. Just this:






We do get one extra panel of Cass in Slade's cross hairs or something when the Martian Manhunter's mind extends throughout the Earth. My friend could only find this part. However, of course Beechen had to add his own little part to Cass's missing year that kind of negates a little what Harvey was the protector of Gotham making it more she made it safe (with help from Alfred).

So with part 2 Beechen himself returns to write Cass once more. Why? Because his Robin was so successful they gave him the Teen Titans job after Geoff decided to leave. Even more Geoff and Tony Daniels decided to leave midway through this very arc (Daniels to go onto Batman and Geoff.. I think just to focus on his GL stuff). The next time we see Cass and Tim it's like this:



No wait. That's a fan edit.. OR IS IT? No really it is, but it looks exactly what's going on. Plus it always cracks me up. So with the REAL panel:




However before Cass can inject Tim and they can have evil naughty Bat incest, Rose/Jericho vs. Slade busts into the room. Which leads us too:






Cass gets the better of Rose again, but notices Tim is now starting to get loose:





And so ends part 2. When part 3 starts up Daniels has left the penciling duties to another. Plus more and more we get see Beechen's writing bleed through:




So where are Cass and Tim? Why breaking free Titans trapped in their personal little hells. They free Miss Martian and Kid Devil before trying to bust Cassie out next:





Wow Tim, way to be a dick.



Cass is knocked out when the original Titans (with Bart) show up. Most of the Titans East get knocked for a loop leaving Slade the last villain left standing and the final target for all the heroes:







Wow Dick. Way to be a dick. And actually that's Cass's final appearance in the story. Slade decides to get the hell out of dodge and with the dust settled two Titans East members are missing:




So where is Cass? Is her EVIL career done now that she's been cleansed of the Slade juice? Well during part 3, Cass made a surprise appearance elsewhere in Beechen's own Robin. Fans assumed this took place before Titans East. I mean the way Cass acted and the scenes played out. It had to be Titans East right?

*sigh*



That's right, Cass continued to be EVIL even after this storyline. WHY?! Beechen deemed it so. Really he did when he explained it all away in his Batgirl mini. So yes.. when I post tomorrow you get Cass's final EVIL appearance and Beechen explaining the entire situation of Cass's EVIL career.


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Date: 2011-05-27 05:43 pm (UTC)
fifthie: tastes the best (Default)
From: [personal profile] fifthie
You are a monster.

Date: 2011-05-27 05:43 pm (UTC)
fifthie: tastes the best (Default)
From: [personal profile] fifthie
like... the Heinrich Himmler of S_D

Date: 2011-05-27 06:14 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] ebailey140
The fan edit of that panel is better. In fact, I consider that the actual dialogue, like with the fan edit where Bruce kicks Steph out of the Robin role because she won't dye her hair black. See? Jason Todd was being completely accurate about the hair color thing.

And nice of Slade to not only announce how he did it, but provide a demonstration in case Tim had any doubts.

Date: 2011-05-27 06:18 pm (UTC)
shanejayell: (Default)
From: [personal profile] shanejayell
Geh. SUCH bad writing....

Date: 2011-05-27 06:19 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] thehefner
Thanks for posting the pages of Harvey and Croc from WWIII! May I yoink and post them in my Two-Face fanblog, with credit?

Date: 2011-05-27 06:19 pm (UTC)
shadowpsykie: (ask the questions)
From: [personal profile] shadowpsykie
am i the only one who while i didn't Love Beechen's Batgirl stuff, i didn't hate it either?

Date: 2011-05-27 06:20 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] shadowpsykie
i actually liked This Titans run... i mean yeah some of the writing was like... really Adam West? but... oh never mind.... i seem to be in the minority here...

Date: 2011-05-27 06:21 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] shadowpsykie
eh, Slade was a little out of character here too... i say only a little because really this IS all something he WOULD do... heh

Date: 2011-05-27 06:22 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] shadowpsykie
oh and one more thing... hehe i love that fan edit... "Stop fondeling my nipples and listen to me!" hehehe

Date: 2011-05-27 06:26 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] shanejayell
I'd probably be less critical if the Batgirl stuff wasn't so bad. *pats*

Date: 2011-05-27 06:28 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] shanejayell
Beechen gets a bit of slack, IMHO, because a lot of Batgirl going Bad was editorial. But I still think he could have written the story better.

Date: 2011-05-27 06:32 pm (UTC)
fifthie: tastes the best (Default)
From: [personal profile] fifthie
Be honest - hurting other people is the only thing that gives you joy

Date: 2011-05-27 06:33 pm (UTC)
fifthie: tastes the best (Default)
From: [personal profile] fifthie
Yes.

Date: 2011-05-27 06:40 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] shadowpsykie
oh i agree, Beechen's writting batgirl stuff was not my favorite, i think he did the best he could with what was handed to him. Editorial said "Were making batgirl evil... no never mind the specifics, just make her evil...."

okay probably not that flippant.. but still for what it was, at least he TRIED to give us an explaination (he DIDNT have to make the other bat characters such Dicks though,)

Date: 2011-05-27 06:42 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] shadowpsykie
i posted a psuedo response to this below but suffice it to say that yeah, it was not my favorite part of the story, i probably could have even dealt with it were the other bat characters not such Dicks to her... (i'm looking at you sexy ass erm i mean Dick....!)

Date: 2011-05-27 06:59 pm (UTC)
fifthie: tastes the best (Default)
From: [personal profile] fifthie
IDK what it matters who made what decision, as far as the final story being terrible, but even in the context of the terrible editorial decision to make Cass evil, Beechen failed at every level in the execution of that decision.

at least he TRIED

No, he didn't. He turned in work which was utterly disconnected from the character whose story he was ostensibly telling, which made no effort to explain her decision to murder her father in a comprehensible way. He subsequently patched that over with the supremely lazy and ineffectual "she was drugged" retcon, while still insisting on giving her an obsession with murder, which again, is completely incompatible with the character as she was originally written.

Date: 2011-05-27 07:08 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] shadowpsykie
we are going to have to differ here, because while you see it as completely out of character, I see it as out of character were it not for certain factors. im not trying to fight here, im just stating my opinion and saying that while i don't like it, i see what he was trying to do, nd can also see how he got there from his point of view

Date: 2011-05-27 07:48 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] auggie18
So, Slade knew Superboy's secret identity? This is why keeping the Kon name would've been useful. I know they probably couldn't use "Superboy" at this point, but by having everyone and their dog know his identity just creates issues. Particularly given his lack of a super suit.


Also, pretty sure Batgirl could take Slade on by herself. I'm willing to accept her wanting to kill him here since she just got off of the crazy juice, but in the later miniseries...

Date: 2011-05-27 07:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] daningram.insanejournal.com
"out of character were it not for certain factors"

You mean reality? ;)

Most of the things Beechen got wrong were covered in Cass' final arc of the series. He didn't do even basic research. Honestly, he earned both his rep and loathing.

Date: 2011-05-27 08:10 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] shadowpsykie
just gonna have to agree to disagree.

i agree with most people saying that it wasn't the most smoothly executed story telling, but it wasn't as much as a hack job as most people claim it was.

and let me reiterate, i LOVED Cass, really I did, and still do, she is one of my favorite characters. the beechen years were not my favorite, but i didnt loathe it either, im just happy she seems to be getting back on track.

Date: 2011-05-27 08:18 pm (UTC)
fifthie: tastes the best (Default)
From: [personal profile] fifthie
we are going to have to differ here, because while you see it as completely out of character, I see it as out of character were it not for certain factors. im not trying to fight here, im just stating my opinion and saying that while i don't like it, i see what he was trying to do, nd can also see how he got there from his point of view.

And I'm stating my opinion that you're wrong and that your opinion is an unjustified and unjustifiable one.

Cassandra Cain was a unique and interesting character because of particular traits which were carefully tied by the work of previous writers into the core of her characterization, which Beechen threw out in a lazy, thoughtless way that gave every indication that he didn't even recognize what he was throwing out. Her diction, her fighting ability, her visceral aversion to killing, all of these were specifically and painstakingly established, and nothing in Beechen's storytelling ever attempts to reconcile the establishment of these traits with his thoughtless removal and reversal of them. Even following the "it was drugs" retcon, he continues to insist on portraying her as obsessed with killing Deathstroke, when her series made it extremely clear that she had a deep objection to killing rooted in her empathic connection to other people, a cornerstone of the character which Beechen never addresses anywhere.

I'm not trying to fight here any more than you are. I'm just pointing out that your apologetics for Beechen's poor storytelling are utterly baseless. It of course remains your right to disregard or acknowledge this however you feel inclined.

Date: 2011-05-27 08:51 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] jaybee3
Sad thing is - there WAS a good tale to be told about how the Titans treat (or rather abandon) their own. Risk had a right to angry, the whole "Titans Together" schtick was pretty much ignored even before CryBaby-Prime tore off his arm. And they did pretty much the same with Osiris - disowning him PUBLICLY after he was set up by Waller and then after he was killed they put up a statue to him as if they gave a damn. Even when Osiris came back from the dead - we had the scene of Wonder Girl telling him to "turn himself in" even though by this time presumably they knew he was set-up (or Atom Smasher has remained quiet on his role in that even after re-joining the JSA) and even though he probably has Khandaqi diplomatic immunity.

A story about abandoned Titans banding together and doing something GOOD without their former teammates blessing would have been interesting.

Instead we get this...and as for the Cass stuff - I give up - Beechan was still obsessed with her killing people (something she had previously been horrified by prior to him) and the whole Geoff Johns retcon (as thankful as I am for it) was one of the clumsiest and hand-waving away I've ever seen - and obviously seem to be made up on the fly in light of the backlash against Evil Cass. Johns has done much better.

Date: 2011-05-27 09:00 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] jaybee3
Still event though it was an Editorial mandate, Beechan admitted DC left the hows and why of why Cassandra went bad up to him and yet from the very first he showed no signs of doing any research on the character whatsoever (except maybe reading the very final issue of the Batgirl series). Under a better writer the explanation might have worked.

To make an analogy Ron Marz was loathed/hated much more than Beechan for Emerald Twilight (a story we know now was put together by Editors - including Eddie Berganza who was one of Beechan's editors - and handed to Marz) and yet even in 3 issues one could see Marz was making as much an effort to make Hal's descent into madness as explainable as possible given the constraints Editorial had on him. Beechan had even less constaints than Marz and he couldn't even do that much.

And then when he was handed a mini starring Cassandra (who he had basically wrecked by doing no research) he basically used it to try to explain his previous mistakes (which no one wanted to go into again - especially readers) instead of making Cass an honest to goodness hero again.

I don't hate Beechan. I DO think he got a raw deal by his editors and Dan Didio who basically let him take the entire fall for the Evil Cass fiasco when it was all their idea BUT when it comes to the actual writing of Cassandra Cain on the printed page I think he totally earned whatever ignominy is thrown at him.

Date: 2011-05-27 09:58 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] ebailey140
Also, pretty sure Batgirl could take Slade on by herself. I'm willing to accept her wanting to kill him here since she just got off of the crazy juice, but in the later miniseries...

You're selling Slade extremely short. He's one of that handful of people who can take down Cass. If you can beat Bruce, you can beat Cass. Slade has enhanced strength, speed, agility, reflexes, and a healing factor. He can use 90% of his brain, and is a tactical genius. He was, after all, created to be able to take on the Wolfman/Perez Titans.

Deadpool was created as a parody/homage to Slade. Eventually, things came full circle, and DC did a parody/homage of the parody/homage.

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