shadowpsykie: (Happy Willow)
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what ever, i don't care, i STILL think that MJ could and SHOULD be the next Scarlet Spider! in my head, she is... and i will DRAW IT!..... maybe... i don't know.... SOME ONE WILL DRAW IT I INVOKE RULE 32!!!

I would Also LIke to reward you guys who helped me with my paper with this video my professor showed us at the begining of class as we discussed Joss Whedon, Feminism and Astonishing X-Men: Gifted

i may be a little bit in love with this man...
*Note: POsted my blog link which has he video because for some reason i can't get the link to embed here...

Date: 2011-11-04 05:12 pm (UTC)
valtyr: (Kelda)
From: [personal profile] valtyr
I, for one, am not saying either he's perfect or awful. I think he genuinely tries to be feminist, and sometimes succeeds and sometimes doesn't. I really liked Buffy, and enjoyed Angel and Firefly. But there are problems with Firefly too; Inara's profession is handled very awkwardly, and there's race issues. We can criticise his work without hating him, and we can like his work while still acknowledging flaws.

Yes, Angel was angsty, but in the stoic brooding way. The suffering was quite gendered. Women were much more prone to breaking under the strain, weeping, having to lean on others.

Date: 2011-11-04 05:34 pm (UTC)
valtyr: (Jen she-hulk chinhand)
From: [personal profile] valtyr
Well, I think to some extent perception of these issues does depend on how you're treated - so even if you strongly identify with women, if aren't perceived as one, you're not usually treated as one, and if you don't identify as a woman (rather than with women) then I don't think the messages are internalised the same way, you know? It's just so rare to see women who are the badass stars who swallow their pain and are stoic - I would have loved Firefly that much more if Zoe had been the main character.

Well, let's say "tries to behave in a feminist way", and tries to produce work that conforms to his ideals.

Date: 2011-11-04 05:57 pm (UTC)
valtyr: (Sue Storm)
From: [personal profile] valtyr
I personally think he is a feminist, i consider myself a feminist. there are other female feminists who concider him a feminist. My Graphic Novel professor, who is a female, says that he is a feminist. There are femists that say because he is not a woman and because i am not a woman, We cannot be feminists. there are so many different types and factions of feminism that its impossible to say "This is the definition of feminism"

Okay? I'm not trying to argue with you about who is and who is not a feminist. I'm not trying to argue about the definition of feminism. I'm saying that I think Joss Whedon believes in the equality of women and tries to illustrate those ideals in his work. In my view, sometimes he succeeds, and sometimes he doesn't.

I like stoic. I'd like to see more stoic, badass women. They're not the only characters I like - I loved Kaylee - but I enjoy stoic dutybound types.

Date: 2011-11-05 01:13 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] jlbarnett
I think there might actually be one real difficulty with him being a feminist. As least part of feminsim is wanting women to have success in life. Joss doesn't want ANYONE to have success in life

Date: 2011-11-04 06:01 pm (UTC)
salinea: anthy is watching you and her eyeglasses are all shiny (creepy anthy)
From: [personal profile] salinea
The fact that Whedon is a feminist doesn't mean we can't criticize his work from a feminist basis, I hope.

Date: 2011-11-04 06:26 pm (UTC)
salinea: fem!Loki is snerking (lol)
From: [personal profile] salinea
The scariest! :D

I'm a big fan of Whedon's work on average, but I do think his works have some issues feminism wise. I loved BtVS, but neither Angel nor Firefly are great (on that account), and Dollhouse is pretty much terrible. Never thought much of Astonishing X-Men on that level, that's why I was curious about your class!! :)


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