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I will not lie. I will be gravely disappointed if the Mysterious Hooded Lady really does turn out to be the Ambush Bug in the main DCU. I was seriously hoping for a brand new character/potential villain with the power to clusterfuck the entire DCU. That'd make for an epic story right there. On the bright side though? The issue itself was actually a pretty fun read.
This "revelation" however does bring a question to mind: if the "Mysterious Hooded Lady" is only around to make sure characters seamlessly blend in with continuity and make sure the DCU is running smoothly...where does this leave Huntress? She was no where to be seen in Helena's book. First clue that Helena is not really from the main DCU Earth? Or is Italy too cool for mysterious hooded ladies who are really guys dressed like insects? Maybe s/he didn't want to find him/herself on the other end of Helena's boot that's made for squashing...bugs.
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- char: batgirl/oracle/barbara gordon,
- char: beast boy/changeling/gar logan,
- char: cyborg/vic stone,
- char: robin/nightwing/dick grayson,
- char: starfire/koriand'r,
- char: superboy/kon-el/conner kent,
- char: wonder girl/troia/donna troy,
- creator: art baltazar,
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Date: 2011-12-02 06:25 pm (UTC)Oh and
AW YEAH PROTECTOR.
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Date: 2011-12-02 06:31 pm (UTC)Neither was she in the shade or any of the other Minis. this woman only showed up in the New 52 first wave, not in any of the second wave stuff. Helena IS in DCnU because they said she will be appearing in BoP and still has a history with them... soo... yeah
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Date: 2011-12-02 06:52 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-12-02 07:19 pm (UTC)Secondly, the events of the Huntress mini leads DIRECTLY to Bids of prey because she has a price put on her head. If she was from another world it would not matter that she had a price put on her head, so escaping to the BoP would not be a necessity.
also like i said, none of the wave two comics have the Woman in Purple. But i am 99% sure they all still take place in main DCU
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Date: 2011-12-02 08:10 pm (UTC)By October DC revealed more info on the character that seems to imply this would be her first time interacting with the team in the reboot, and further hints from Marcus To and James Robinson seems to imply there's going to be some kind of twist involving the character. Add the fact that Eric Wallace was also prohibited from revealing any information on Karen Starr (who is also an Earth-2 character existing in DCnU), and that Huntress also has story connections to Mr. T and Earth-2 JSA, I think it's a safe assumption that DC is trying to build an aura of mystery around these characters. And hey, it's working!
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Date: 2011-12-02 08:30 pm (UTC)and again, the strongest evidence would be that if she runs off because she has a price on her head and has a tie in with the BoP, it would not make sense for her to be a fugitive from another world, mainly because why would she need them. If she was from another world, then all she would have to do is jump into THIS DCU. Problem solved, no one knows her. if she was part of THIS world, she would probably need the BoP as she is in a similar boat as they are.
I know you WANT Helena Wayne, but i don't think this is her. and i DOUBT they would throw in ANOTHER Huntress so early into their new universe. it just wouldn't make sense logistically.
Now, there might be SOME connection. but i don't think this is it. I think it's highly probable that Karen is Earth 2 Powergirl, it could work for her. But i don't think Helena is Earth 2 Huntress... because it would be more in character for Karen to be a survivor of Krypton from another world raised as a human on ours. But Helena Bertinelli being the adopted daughter of a Mafioso (and she would have to be) but in reality being the other universe daughter of Batman and Catwoman it hink takes away from BOTH iterations of the character.
ps. did you get the Pitch i sent you:?
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Date: 2011-12-02 09:33 pm (UTC)Given all the conflicting information we've been given (ie "follow Helena Bertinelli home to Italy to take out some mobsters" and "as originally conceived Helena was Earth-2 BatCat's daughter, keep reading to find out where she really comes from"), I think it suffices to say this DC could go either way with this. Either Helena B will run into her Earth-2 counterpart at some point, or Helena B will later be revealed to have been Helena W the whole time and she just used 'Helena Bertinelli' as an alias. When you take into account that Helena B was originally created to capitalise on the popularity of the original Helena, and that Paul Levitz himself equates Helena B to being a "mutated version" of his original creation instead of as a separate character all together, the latter is not an unlikely move. At this point I'm just waiting for the other shoe to drop next year.
ps. did you get the Pitch i sent you:?
I did and I've already read it. I personally like the premise you have established for your characters and think you should pursue it further. I would be very much interested in reading the rest of your story as more chapters come along.
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Date: 2011-12-02 10:48 pm (UTC)Helena Wayne is a great character, but i prefer Betinelli because i think she is a far more complicated character.
i still think that if she were from a nother world, WHY would she need the Birds of Prey. It stands more to reason that Helena Bertinelli is Huntress. She gets into trouble in italy. as a result when she returns to Gotham she needs to join the BoP. while with birds of prey they have to break into Star Ware or Holt Industries while there they encounter something that Michael is working on or helping on, a fight breaks out and either huntress disappears, or two huntresses appear. maybe Karren is aware that she is from another world and is trying to get back. Maybe she accidently switched places with OUR Karen Starr... what ever it is that brings the story lines together, Helena in the huntress story being Helena Bertinelli makes more sense to me storywise. anything else will add more convolution to a story that will by its very nature already runs the risk of being convoluted.
i'll send you what i have so far :D
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Date: 2011-12-02 11:58 pm (UTC)Not many people do, and I truthfully don't know how I feel about amalgamating the characters myself. On the one hand, I know and understand where DC stands on the character. On the other hand Helena B and Helena W have enough personality and background differences to easily make them separate characters. I would deem this a pretty senseless move at best, and if DC's goal is to shift focus back to Helena W by retiring Helena B, it would have been much easier to reintroduce her as herself and not as her rebooted post-Crisis self. This way it would leave the door open for reintroducing Helena B later on, and it would make the character's already convoluted history a bit less so.
Helena Wayne is a great character, but i prefer Betinelli because i think she is a far more complicated character.
I don't think it's fair to say Helena Wayne doesn't have the potential to be a complex character given what her background consists of. The fact that she has Batman and Catwoman for parents alone means this kid wasn't bound for a normal childhood, and she especially didn't live a normal life as an adult as a result of her upbringing. She lived a more comfortable and privileged life than Bertinelli did, I agree, but during Joey Cavalieri's run of her solo stories, he made it a point of emphasising Helena W's insecurities. Among the ones explored were her fear of not being as good as her father (or ever leaving his shadow), she hated not being taken seriously for being a woman, and she was especially troubled by her mother's past criminal career to the point of seeking therapy. In contrast with Levitz' earlier depictions of her being confident, positive, and upbeat, Cavalieri's version of Helena W was considerably darker, angrier, and a bit more troubled. Characteristics he later attributed to Helena Bertinelli in the 1989 Huntress series, but was able to explore those further due to the direction of the 1986 reboot.
I think both Helena B and Helena W are great characters of their own right, and I like them both for the fact that they both bring something new and different to the table. But both characters have completely different problems. In Helena W's case, hers weren't fully explored due to both the era of comics she existed in, and because she was offed before a writer had the chance to flesh her out more. If Helena Wayne is revived along with Power Girl and Earth-2 JSA, not only will I be even more exited for this reboot, but this will be a perfectly good opportunity for DC to make up for the travesty that was her fate on COIE. Beyond the fact that she was a multiverse character, there was absolutely no reason for her to die, and she did have a pretty devoted fanbase back then.
i'll send you what i have so far :D
Got it. Reading it right now. :)
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Date: 2011-12-03 01:11 am (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2011-12-05 09:40 am (UTC)Now I'm expecting "her" to really be Ambush Bug - no one else will fill in the role quite the same way.
"Oh ah was just making sure you kids could all play along in the same new DCnU. It was my buddy Dandy who got me this job... Those Wildstorm kids never want to play fair along you guys..."
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Date: 2011-12-02 08:54 pm (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2011-12-03 07:53 am (UTC)The hell am I kidding, I just love Donna Troy and love to see her back.
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Date: 2011-12-23 10:16 am (UTC)