i don't think we have ever seen some one who has the techno organic control he does. and in this case it is truely techno-organic. he can create and control techno-organic "thighs"
I see Kenji becoming an issue the way Darwin, Elixir, and Liefguard were. Too omni-powerful. He could easily solve too many problems. I see him being knocked out by many brick walls in his future. '
Also, yay Martha getting a body!
(Anyone know what happened to Ernst, her chain holder, anyways?)
Lifeguard had powers that sounded omni, but tended to be fairly down-to-earth (most of her modifications were physical and fairly straitforward. Gills, wings, armor... only that sort of thing).
he she's alive and in a position to be used. same with cecilia (is she on scotts or Logan's side?) i thought i heard her mentioned don't remember where....
it is hilarious that Kenji retains just enough normal human body image to make a perfect torso and breasts, but not enough to even give her workable feet or hands. I think Martha might appreciate being able to run or pick things up more than the biobustier there, Kenji.
my favorite moment was hope threatening a guy who was had bombs attached to his body blow up and was still unhurt with a riffle. and when shaw points it out, she replies, "fine, but your minutes are running."
She was already mobile without a body in her old shell, and seemed able to commicate when the need arose, this just seems, for wont of a better term, humanocentric.
yeah she was mobile but always at the bidding of others, and didn't she only communicate with a "chosen" person? i don't ever remember her communicating with anyone other than througha Proxy... same as movement, i don't remember her moving of her own volition.
Weeeeelllllll, a few good lines not withstanding, I wasn't too fond of that version of Emma either, but she did have a bit more character than recent iterations. I'm mostly still bitter about what he did to the Morisson run as a whole.
hmm? really... i really loved what he did with her characterization. what was it you didn't like about what he did to morrisons run (i liked morrison's run... killing Jean the way he did was crap)
I just thought about this again the other day and I feel that retconning Emma's secondary mutation into a plot by Cassandra Nova destroys the entire premise of the Morrison run. Whether you like that run or not -and I do- it only works under a very specific set of premises that is unique to it, namely that the evolutionary struggle between humans and mutants had been decided, that mutants where on their way to replace humans in the long run and that mutants themselves where evolving beyond their known capacities, as exemplified by the secondary mutations. The story as a whole only works under these specific conditions. Now clearly Marvel didn't want to work with that premise after Morrison left and retconned it away as soon as possible, but at least they did it using outside forces. During M-Day, Wanda used her godlike powers to forcefully change the course of nature set up by the Morrison run. By proclaiming No More Mutants, she willed evolution as defined in New X-Men to stop, but did so as an outside agent. The underlying idea remains intact, only it's consequences have been removed by the traditional comic book fiat of omnipotent whim. On the other hand, suggesting that secondary mutation was not a natural progression at all, but rather due to the prior involvement of yet another outside agent destroys all the underlying assumptions of that run by simply retroactively proclaiming them false. If the only known examples of further mutation can be explained away with outside meddling (Hank's secondary mutation then being due to his already altered genetic make up), pretty much all other consequences from that are negated as well. There never was a leap in mutant evolution at all, everything that happens is just due to some shadowy mastermind. This, to my mind, destroys the central assumptions the Morrison run is built on and makes it nonsensical.
On another level, reducing Emma to a plant by Cassandra Nova also takes away all the agency she had in getting involved with the X-Men in the first place and destroys a significant portion of her personal character development. Instead of an independent individual whose actions are the consequences of decades long personal development, she is reduced to a pawn of outside forces. That did not work for me at all.
(Sorry about the Wall of Text, but it's been fresh in mind.)
As I understood it the "your secondary muatation was created by me" thing was part of the false memories and illusions Cassandra created in Emma's mind to manipulate her into setting her resurrection into effect.
I agree with you to a point, but I don't think Emma's agency at least not as far as joining the X Men was taken away, because she was already an adjunct member of the x men at that point, and as she pointed out to kitty, she is very grateful to be a part of the x men. The secondary mutation issue I understand. But cassandra only did that to Emma, do the over all premis is not changed is it?
Maybe not directly, but with only two confirmed cases of secondary mutations, having one turn out to be result of external manipulation calls the whole concept into question. And since Hank's secondary mutation could also be seen as the result of his already altered genetic make up, turning both into "false positives" -so to speak- puts really unneccessary strain on the concept. Since there has been no new cases and since the mutant genome as a whole was stunted shortly thereafter, it makes it seem like the premises the run was built on where false conclusions, that there never was any further development in mutant evolution to begin with. If the central concepts don't hold up, the run itself doesn't either and changing it at such a fundamental level, retroactively no less, seems completely pointless to me. Missing the point by a mile even.
Oh my god! That actually sounds like the Emma Frost we all know and love and not the weird, soulless pod person who has been hanging out with the X-Men as of late. Picking this up again immediately. And somebody get this.. whoever this is on the main X-books, stat!
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Date: 2011-12-22 10:16 pm (UTC)think Clayface, but with metal too.
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Date: 2011-12-22 06:21 pm (UTC)Also, yay Martha getting a body!
(Anyone know what happened to Ernst, her chain holder, anyways?)
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Date: 2011-12-22 06:43 pm (UTC)Ernst is back at the Academy with Logan, I think. I would be interested in finding out why Martha and Ernst split up.
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Date: 2011-12-22 08:58 pm (UTC)And seconding the 'yay,' this is pretty cool.
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Date: 2011-12-22 07:02 pm (UTC)he seems to have given her control of his own skills -
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Date: 2011-12-22 06:59 pm (UTC)leadership that inspires confidence imho!!
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Date: 2011-12-22 11:31 pm (UTC)side bar, new icon! :D
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Date: 2011-12-23 09:24 am (UTC)Go, go Gadget Neologism! I mean, Rocket Skates!
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Date: 2011-12-22 09:00 pm (UTC)Also if the body is hurt, it means it's easier to put the brain somewhere else.
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Date: 2011-12-22 10:43 pm (UTC)I'm mostly still bitter about what he did to the Morisson run as a whole.
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Date: 2011-12-23 08:07 am (UTC)Whether you like that run or not -and I do- it only works under a very specific set of premises that is unique to it, namely that the evolutionary struggle between humans and mutants had been decided, that mutants where on their way to replace humans in the long run and that mutants themselves where evolving beyond their known capacities, as exemplified by the secondary mutations. The story as a whole only works under these specific conditions.
Now clearly Marvel didn't want to work with that premise after Morrison left and retconned it away as soon as possible, but at least they did it using outside forces. During M-Day, Wanda used her godlike powers to forcefully change the course of nature set up by the Morrison run. By proclaiming No More Mutants, she willed evolution as defined in New X-Men to stop, but did so as an outside agent. The underlying idea remains intact, only it's consequences have been removed by the traditional comic book fiat of omnipotent whim.
On the other hand, suggesting that secondary mutation was not a natural progression at all, but rather due to the prior involvement of yet another outside agent destroys all the underlying assumptions of that run by simply retroactively proclaiming them false. If the only known examples of further mutation can be explained away with outside meddling (Hank's secondary mutation then being due to his already altered genetic make up), pretty much all other consequences from that are negated as well. There never was a leap in mutant evolution at all, everything that happens is just due to some shadowy mastermind. This, to my mind, destroys the central assumptions the Morrison run is built on and makes it nonsensical.
On another level, reducing Emma to a plant by Cassandra Nova also takes away all the agency she had in getting involved with the X-Men in the first place and destroys a significant portion of her personal character development. Instead of an independent individual whose actions are the consequences of decades long personal development, she is reduced to a pawn of outside forces.
That did not work for me at all.
(Sorry about the Wall of Text, but it's been fresh in mind.)
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Date: 2011-12-24 12:50 am (UTC)Since there has been no new cases and since the mutant genome as a whole was stunted shortly thereafter, it makes it seem like the premises the run was built on where false conclusions, that there never was any further development in mutant evolution to begin with.
If the central concepts don't hold up, the run itself doesn't either and changing it at such a fundamental level, retroactively no less, seems completely pointless to me. Missing the point by a mile even.
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Date: 2011-12-22 10:12 pm (UTC)Picking this up again immediately. And somebody get this.. whoever this is on the main X-books, stat!
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