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Same fashion as my last post, low and behold the NuEarth-2 Wonder Woman.

During the Golden Age of comics, the first incarnation of Wonder Woman started off as the Amazonian WWII heroine who later became a member of the Justice Society of America, and was one of a few attempts of the then infant comic industry to acquire a female audience. She was also (iirc) the comic industry's first attempt at establishing a feminist-type character, despite not really understanding the idea behind feminism, let alone yet how to portray it. They do at least get points for trying.

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When DC established the multiverse in the 1960s, the Golden Age Wonder Woman was shown to have aged, semi-retired from superheroics, and even married her love interest, Steve Trevor with whom she had a daughter, Lyta, who later became Fury on the world that became known as Earth-2.

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Then of course, Crisis on Infinite Earths wiped all of that away, and Golden Age Wondy disappeared permanently during the events of Infinite Crisis.

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so what changed with NuEarth-2 Wondy? In two words: PLENTY MORE!

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“Due the events that open the saga of EARTH 2, Wonder Woman is already the last Amazon of this world and she is determined to avenge her sisters…at whatever cost,” said EARTH 2 writer James Robinson.

“How did Wonder Woman come to be the last of the Amazons?” asks EARTH 2 editor Pat McCallum. “It’s one of the mysteries we’ll be getting into with the series. While there will be recognizable faces and settings on EARTH 2, don’t for a moment think you’re on familiar ground. Do that, and you let your guard down…and then you’ll end up like the rest of the Amazons.”



Translation: Earth-2 is increasingly becoming darker-post-apocalyptic-type place than the main DCU Earth, where this world's Trinity have more tragic pasts, subsequently leading to a darker take on their characters.

At this rate if Earth-2 Wondy and Bats are angrier, more violent versions of the main DCU characters, I'm betting Earth-2 Superman is equally angrier and violent over the loss of Krypton. Not sure if I like. :/

Date: 2012-02-29 04:34 pm (UTC)
shadowpsykie: Information (Default)
From: [personal profile] shadowpsykie
hmmm from what it seems.... it looks like Darkseid got to Earth 2 first (Judging by the cover)... then Earth 1.... so maybe the "post apocaply-ty" Stuff is due to that...

don't think i dislike this... but it could go horribly wrong... that said, i have liked Justice league and... Huntress... so i am willing to see where this is going... there is STILL a trinity, so maybe there in lies the hope...

Date: 2012-02-29 05:12 pm (UTC)
kenn_el: Northstar_Hmm (Default)
From: [personal profile] kenn_el
I'm with you there. I was hoping for more of the 'original' Earth 2, but it sounds as if it might be closer to Flashpoint, which was no fun at all. Still, no constraints from the rest fo the 'verse makes it potentially more interesting than Earth 1.
No other Amazons, though? They're usually a part of Diana's story that IS interesting.

Date: 2012-02-29 06:51 pm (UTC)
shadowpsykie: Information (Default)
From: [personal profile] shadowpsykie
No other Amazons, though? They're usually a part of Diana's story that IS interesting.

just because there are no amazons besides her does not mean they will not figure into the story, or her life greatly.

also, i actually LOVED some of the Flashpoint storis Batman Flashpoing FTW!

but i get what people's issues are though...

Date: 2012-03-01 03:02 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] drmcninja
Especially considering that they rebooted the DCU partly in order to make it even darker and grittier. And then we get an even darker and grittier version of that. Why not just bring back the multiverse and save yourselves the trouble, DC.

Date: 2012-02-29 09:45 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] darkknightjrk
"hmmm from what it seems.... it looks like Darkseid got to Earth 2 first (Judging by the cover)..."

We do get a little bit of confirmation of that in this week's Justice League. After Batman rescues Superman from a torture chamber, Superman, in mild shock, says to Batman: "They images they pumped into my brain. The death and torture Darkseid's spread across a...multiverse. I think I saw...me."

Date: 2012-02-29 05:26 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] auggie18
Earth-2 is going to be darker and edgier? I hope this means that the Kents and the Waynes killed each other in a gun fight.

ALTERNATE PUNCHLINE: Krypton and the Waynes killed each other in a gun fight.

Date: 2012-02-29 05:41 pm (UTC)
mrstatham: (Default)
From: [personal profile] mrstatham
"YOUR PARENTS MADE MY PARENTS DEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAD!"

Date: 2012-02-29 06:19 pm (UTC)
mastiff: (Default)
From: [personal profile] mastiff
Sadly, I think today's "edgy" means that Bruce Wayne will forgo the use of a gun and use a baby Robin as a club, while Kent will use Krypto.

Date: 2012-03-01 04:07 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] halloweenjack
Brainiac shrunk the entire planet Krypton to the size of a .45 caliber bullet, gave it to Joe Chill and said, "Here, shoot those rich bastards with this."

Date: 2012-02-29 06:18 pm (UTC)
q99: (Default)
From: [personal profile] q99
"While there will be recognizable faces and settings on EARTH 2, don’t for a moment think you’re on familiar ground."

Vengeful alt-wondies seem pretty common (Flashpoint, and even Odyssey to an extent), I would call it familiar ground.

Date: 2012-02-29 06:53 pm (UTC)
shadowpsykie: Terra is Scared (TerraTerror)
From: [personal profile] shadowpsykie
and even Odyssey to an extent

....people actually read Odyssey? how do you do it... my eyes start to bleed imediately and my brain begins to ooze.... you are a stronger being than I....

Date: 2012-02-29 08:57 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] q99
Granted, I snoozed through the JMS issues, but the latter ones by Hester were reasonably good. You had Pirate-Phillipus as Diana's mentor, and Diana becoming more and more herself as time passed.

The last 2-3~ issues were proper Wonder Woman again.

Date: 2012-02-29 09:00 pm (UTC)
shadowpsykie: (Miguel)
From: [personal profile] shadowpsykie
OOOOH! i thought you meant BATMAN: ODYSSEY!

oh yeah i liked the Odyssey arch. Hester's more than JMS

Date: 2012-02-29 09:09 pm (UTC)
q99: (Default)
From: [personal profile] q99
Oh, Batman Odyssey? Heck no, I don't know the skills needed to read that one either ^^

Date: 2012-02-29 09:50 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] darkknightjrk
Honestly? I kinda like JMS' more. There was a clear character progression going on, and while what Hester did wasn't bad by a long shot, it definitely felt really stalled and languished.

Date: 2012-02-29 07:37 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] atom_punk
Honestly, if comic universes continue getting “darker and edgier” pretty soon we’ll be getting books filled with nothing but black panels and a few speech bubbles.

And do we really need another “Last of X” type character? Superman is the last son of Krypton (cousins, pets, and countless imprisoned war criminals notwithstanding), Martian Manhunter is the last Martian (not including Miss Martian and the imprisoned White Martians and several one-note villians), Lobo is the last Czarnian (legions of illegitimate hybrid children aside), Kilowog is the last survivor of Bolovax Vik, and so on.

Do the writers and editors of DC Comics really think this idea is clever or original?

All it does is make set-ups for those inane, first-encounter dialogues.

-Last Survivor of X- “YOU!? You can’t be from X! All the X died in the war/crisis/disaster”

-Other Last Survivor of X- “NOT ALL OF THEM! RAWR!”

(Last Survivor of X struggles with stereotypical angst about fighting Other Last Survivor of X before eventually deciding to do so, et cetera, et cetera….)

If the new Earth-2 universe does not introduce other Amazon survivors who have turned to evil from the trauma of witnessing the destruction of Themysceira and now wish to conquer the world to make a new homeland, I will be very surprised.

Date: 2012-02-29 09:12 pm (UTC)
q99: (Default)
From: [personal profile] q99
-Honestly, if comic universes continue getting “darker and edgier” pretty soon we’ll be getting books filled with nothing but black panels and a few speech bubbles.-

I have a pulllist full of non-big 2 and I'm not afraid to use it :)

The only question is how to get everyone else to read Atomic Robo, Gold Digger, Sonic the Hedgehog, etc..

-Do the writers and editors of DC Comics really think this idea is clever or original? -

I do think they're stuck in another era.

Date: 2012-02-29 09:53 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] darkknightjrk
"I have a pulllist full of non-big 2 and I'm not afraid to use it :)"

Hell, I got a pull-list of the New 52 that isn't all grim and gritty either. I honestly don't understand that claim at all.

Date: 2012-02-29 09:52 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] darkknightjrk
"If the new Earth-2 universe does not introduce other Amazon survivors who have turned to evil from the trauma of witnessing the destruction of Themysceira and now wish to conquer the world to make a new homeland, I will be very surprised."

Honestly, yeah, I kinda doubt it--Robinson himself has said the main focus of this book will be the original JSA mainstays--Alan, Jay, Ted, etc.

Date: 2012-02-29 09:56 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] darkknightjrk
I'm not having the problem that people are having about this seeming to be more "grim" and all, but I will admit with the WW description, I couldn't help but think, "...And this is different from what we have now...how?" I mean, I'm presuming that Diana in the Azzarello book is working to bring her island home back, but right now she's the last of the Amazons too.

Date: 2012-03-01 08:05 am (UTC)
biod: Cute Galactus (Default)
From: [personal profile] biod
Holy shit, she has greaves and guantlets (also the title of D&D's local Playboy (tm)).
So uh, what was wrong with this design?
Does this mean that adding armour makes her "edgy"? Because I can go into a triade about how stupid that would be.

Date: 2012-03-01 12:27 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] arilou_skiff
Well? What about the women? ARE they in danger too or are they just kidnapping the men? Don't hold us in suspense!

Date: 2012-03-01 10:50 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] liara_shadowsong
I'm not sure that I'm pleased about the changes to Earth-2, but that is a very nice Wonder Woman outfit.

Date: 2012-03-12 08:51 pm (UTC)
theatervine: Martha Jones - Doctor Who (martha2 by sequinissues)
From: [personal profile] theatervine
I will give it a chance but we shall see. I do love her uniform and giant sword though.

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