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Two Pages, where Sokka has gone to visit Toph's metalbending school,

Well, there are worst origins for a police force.

Oh, and I just got the double meaning for Toph's statue in the Republic City police department's building: She's both the founder AND it's a representation of the regular statues of Justice that are in court houses and the like.

Also looks like she's not always going to be so short.

Oh, I have recaps and reviews for the first two episodes of Legend of Korra on my blog with links at No_Scans, but I can link them to individual posts here if people are interested.

Date: 2012-03-27 11:50 am (UTC)
silverzeo: (Default)
From: [personal profile] silverzeo
About time Sokka got some fan girls.... too bad not on the "foaming mouth" level...

Date: 2012-03-27 07:02 pm (UTC)
icon_uk: (Default)
From: [personal profile] icon_uk
He's the Xander of their little gang.

Date: 2012-03-27 07:07 pm (UTC)
auggie18: (Default)
From: [personal profile] auggie18
Hmm, let's see. Yue, that spirit panda thingy...

They just need to throw in comics where Koh the Face Stealer and the Painted Lady hit on him and and the Xanderfication will be complete!

Date: 2012-03-27 07:11 pm (UTC)
salinea: (Default)
From: [personal profile] salinea
except without all the controlling hatefulness.

Date: 2012-03-27 07:37 pm (UTC)
icon_uk: (Default)
From: [personal profile] icon_uk
All the what now?

Xander had his problems, but I'm not sure controlling was one of them. if anything I'd have said he tended towards doormat status.

Date: 2012-03-27 08:47 pm (UTC)
salinea: (Default)
From: [personal profile] salinea
I saw an article, not very long ago, about how Xander was written that reminded me how hateful he was acting by the end. Some of the worst sort of Nice Guy-ism and entitlement and passive aggressive controlling behaviour, yes. Meant to link you to it, but apparently I didn't save the link like I thought I did *sheepish*

Date: 2012-03-27 11:04 pm (UTC)
icon_uk: (Default)
From: [personal profile] icon_uk
Thanks I'll take a read of that one, but given my slightly defensive nature about my favourite characters, I may hold off for a little while. :)

Date: 2012-03-28 12:09 am (UTC)
auggie18: (Ack!)
From: [personal profile] auggie18
Wow, there are so many issues I have with that article. (And a lot of the comments.) None of the Buffy women had any real power because Xander, um, made jokes? Which were, I thought, very clearly his way to compensate for self esteem issues that sprung from his consistently being the least useful member of the group? I mean, I really don't want to get started on other points made in that. Seriously. I've typed a whole bunch of stuff and deleted it because I don't want to get into a huge thing.

Date: 2012-03-28 01:18 pm (UTC)
salinea: (Default)
From: [personal profile] salinea
You certainly seem to have read it differently than I did.

Date: 2012-03-28 02:52 pm (UTC)
shadowpsykie: Information (Default)
From: [personal profile] shadowpsykie
yeahi pretty much had the same reaction as auggie. xander May have his i issues, but controlling and hateful? I mean i could see some of the issues people would have had with early Xander... even some issues in late seasons, but for the most part, he was just a nice guy the last few seasons. at least IMHO

Date: 2012-03-28 02:54 pm (UTC)
auggie18: (Default)
From: [personal profile] auggie18 are you reading it? It seems pretty clear that the point of the essay is that Xander somehow devalues every other aspect of the show. Some choice quotes.

"It couldn’t be, as long as Buffy was friends with Xander Harris, the thorn destroying any so-called feminism in Sunnydale."

"In the next episode he carelessly removes Buffy’s agency and tells Dawn about Spike’s attempted rape. Not only that, but he continually and persistently brings it up through the rest of the series. He takes that power and repeatedly uses it against her." (Using the power of not trusting an attempted rapist?)

"The series continually, passively, upholds Xander’s skewed viewpoint, never forcing him to repent and never allowing him to change. Instead, they give him the ultimate gift – Buffy’s strength. In the series’ penultimate episode “End of Days,” Buffy says: “You’re my strength, Xander. You’re the reason I made it this far.”

"And now she attributes her strength and survival to the man who constantly sexualized her, belittled her, and condemned her."

"Buffy cannot be a feminist heroine if her strength comes from a do-as-I-say-not-as-I-do man, especially one happy to remove her agency and morally judge her."

The article is all about how Xander somehow makes Buffy an anti-feminist show through a mixture of snarking at main characters and making bad life decisions. How did you read it?

Date: 2012-03-28 04:32 pm (UTC)
salinea: (Default)
From: [personal profile] salinea
what part do you disagree with, that Xander's behaviour was problematic, or that his problematic behaviour combined with the fact he was framed as heart/strength of the team and Buffy in particular, undermines some of the feminism of the show?

What I disagreed with from your comment is that the article's thesis can be summed up as saying that "women have no power". They discuss, amongst other things, a pattern of undermining some female characters' agency when it comes to matters of romance/relationship; or at least, of Xander behaving very controlling on those topics without being called out on it (in fact the opposite is truth). That's not the same thing.

Date: 2012-03-28 05:16 pm (UTC)
auggie18: (Ack!)
From: [personal profile] auggie18
Okay, maybe I misphrased in my original complaint about the article. The point isn't that women in Buffy have no power, but rather that their power is somehow diminished because Xander is a dick. That a strong woman can be devalued because some guy acts like an idiot.

Which I don't get.

At all.

In fact, one of my big problems with it is the idea that Xander is the heart of the team. Xander's position as the heart of the team is a weird thing to bring up because it's mentioned twice in the series and, even then, it doesn't really have any solid basis. You get the impression that the role falls to him because there is literally nothing else for him to be. He's not really seen as any kind of moral center for the team, that usually falls to Willow, Giles, or Tara. He's not often portrayed as being in the right and when he is, it's usually by accident. (Mistrust of Angel, for example.) The article makes it seem like most of his choices are supported by the show when, really, they aren't. He comes off as the bad guy in both of his major relationships. (Anya and Cordelia.) He comes off as a jerk for his treatment of Angel, even on the occasions were he is in the right. (Because it seems like he's being petty, not moral.)

Date: 2012-03-29 08:08 am (UTC)
salinea: (Default)
From: [personal profile] salinea
Okay, I understand your point better. I think the essay tries to make a point about what's the narrative of the series as far as Xander's relationship with the women of the show rather than saying that a strong woman is devalued because some guy acts like an idiot. That said, I didn't find all of it convincing; as you say sometimes Xander being a jerk was just him coming off as a jerk; but I do think it points out at a pattern of him getting away, or getting away while still being framed as heroic/support more than his share of time. By the end of the series, I felt that he definitely didn't get call out on some of his own bullshit + judgemental attitude he had versus other people as much as he should have; and that did turn me off the character a great deal.

When I was watching Buffy, I remember the part of the fandom I was in, we did make a great deal about all that "heart of the team" thing - then again we were big into all the symbolical and metaphorical aspects of the shows. When you see the role he had in the finale of S6, for example, I definitely not something that's never here - it's not the same thing as being the moral center, no; but it is here.

Date: 2012-03-28 03:34 pm (UTC)
auggie18: (Ack!)
From: [personal profile] auggie18
Sorry about the repeated "how are you reading it?" I forgot I asked it at the beginning of my comment.

Again, a lot of writing and deleting.

Date: 2012-03-27 01:09 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] mourirdemain
Oh Toph xD I love those two <33

Date: 2012-03-27 01:17 pm (UTC)
sherkahn: (Default)
From: [personal profile] sherkahn
I <3 Toph!

Date: 2012-03-27 01:23 pm (UTC)
mistygeek: (Niko)
From: [personal profile] mistygeek
Why is this not mine yet.

I need back story before Korra, darn it!
From: [personal profile] arilou_skiff
Or they might be doing the entire "husband adopts wife's family name if of inferior status" thing?
From: [personal profile] long_silence
Or maybe Lin's father didn't have a last name. Think about it, the Beifongs were one of the few families to have a family name in the Avatar Universe.

Everyone else just has their given names and where they came from. ex. Bato of the Water Tribe.

Not even Zuko's family had their own last name.
baihu: (Default)
From: [personal profile] baihu
It was not unusual in Chinese culture that if a man is obviously not going to be able to support his wife as the primary caregiver, he marries into the wife's family instead. Since Toph's family were famously rich, I can see this situation happening.
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From: [personal profile] janegray
...How old was Toph when she gave birth? She was 12 when the series ended, Korra takes place 70 years later, and Lin looks 35 years old tops.

Can I woman give birth in her late forties?
captain_ziggy: (origami cyclone)
From: [personal profile] captain_ziggy
My mom had my sister in her mid forties, so it's not too much of a stretch.

That being said, I think Lin's a bit older than thirty five, given the graying hair. She probably just has one of those really well-aging faces
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From: [personal profile] sir_razorback
Oh my god.. Meelo.. From that profile picture, I can see him Airbending to 'get that wascally wabbit!'

Date: 2012-03-27 02:15 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] venatosapiens
Because Justice, after all, is blind. And Toph don't need no scales, fool.

Date: 2012-03-27 03:09 pm (UTC)
okkult3000: (Default)
From: [personal profile] okkult3000
Even Toph's statue is yelling at somebody.

Date: 2012-03-27 07:04 pm (UTC)
icon_uk: (Default)
From: [personal profile] icon_uk
I think her mouth is closed, that's her chin (I can see it look open too, but that seems a very disrespectful thing to do with a statue in her honour)

Date: 2012-03-28 03:19 pm (UTC)
aeolos_sakya: Aeolos Sakya (Default)
From: [personal profile] aeolos_sakya
Maybe her spirit enters in the statue and she makes it yell at people through Metalbending?

That's my canon now.
I don't care if it doesn't make sense.

Date: 2012-03-27 04:42 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] pyrotwilight
Part two is out in May, right?

Date: 2012-03-27 07:31 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] omgwtflolbbqbye
I wish that the last two books could have come out before "Korra" could start airing so I could experience it all in chronological order.

I did watch the first two episodes was really surprised that **mild spoiler** Katara is still alive. But from her dialog it sounds like she's the last of the Aang gang. Of all of them I expected Toph to be the last one standing into old age ala Bumi.

Date: 2012-03-27 09:17 pm (UTC)
skemono: I read dead racists (Default)
From: [personal profile] skemono
I desperately want to see Toph metalbending her own statue to go on a rampage through the town. It can be in flashback, I won't mind!

Date: 2012-03-28 12:27 am (UTC)
amaniwolf: (Galactus)
From: [personal profile] amaniwolf
I'm really curious as to whether Kya or Bumi had any children? I've so enjoyed the first 2 episodes.

Date: 2012-03-28 05:29 am (UTC)
introverted_excavator: Oerba Yun Fang from Final Fantasy XIII (Default)
From: [personal profile] introverted_excavator
Judging by her necklace I'd say she's at least married, or was married at some point.

Date: 2012-03-28 05:29 am (UTC)
introverted_excavator: Oerba Yun Fang from Final Fantasy XIII (Default)
From: [personal profile] introverted_excavator
I am kinda side eyeing the bender genetics here, but yessss Kyaaaaa

Date: 2012-03-28 06:54 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] shadur
Also looks like she's not always going to be so short.

Or they just made the statue six times larger than life. Given Toph's gleeful reaction to her actor in _Ember Island Players_ she'd be all for it.

... Assuming she isn't the one who literally stamped the statue into existence while she was shaping the building in the first place -- and then hired everyone who had enough of a spine to dare to call her on the ego of it..

Date: 2012-03-28 07:23 am (UTC)
eyz: (Jaime Reyes)
From: [personal profile] eyz
An adult Toph statue! Badass!! :D

Date: 2012-03-28 12:00 pm (UTC)
baihu: (Default)
From: [personal profile] baihu
Not gonna be surprised if a surprise reveal is Mako's third generation descendant of Zuko.

Actually I really kinda want to see what Zuko's kids look like, hope they're in the show!


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