Avengers vs. X-men aftermath... yeah, that predictable.

[sherkahn]

Lots of things going on at Comic-Con in 2 weeks in Sn Diego, (yeah, I'm going) but here's one of the *yawn* big ones.

Entertainment Weekly has the scoop.



"Death, be not proud, though some have called thee
Mighty and dreadful, for thou art not so;
For those whom thou think'st thou dost overthrow,
Die not, poor Death, nor yet canst thou kill me.
From rest and sleep, which but thy pictures be,
Much pleasure; then from thee much more must flow,
And soonest our best men with thee do go,
Rest of their bones, and soul's delivery.
Thou art slave to fate, chance, kings, and desperate men,
And dost with poison, war, and sickness dwell;
And poppy or charms can make us sleep as well
And better than thy stroke; why swell'st thou then?
One short sleep past, we wake eternally,
And death shall be no more; Death, thou shalt die."

John Donne.


And death not be permanent.



Yup, Jean Grey is coming back to the true 616 universe.

Comments

[salinea]

I hope she's in shape. There's a lot of people who need their ass kicked in order to learn lessons.

[shadowpsykie]

so... much,... motto... she should start with the Avengers... then with the x-men...or with Wolverine, Scott, and Cap... then go out with drink with Emma, applauding her putting up with all that crap for so long.

[salinea]

That's pretty much how I was thinking things. *fistbump of agreement*

[shadowpsykie]

thething is i LOVE Wheadon scott and everything up to AvX Scott... (even some of AvX Scott) but ugh, ( i ranted about this last week... don't think i need to again...)

I love Cap too (but see above or last week's rant)

But yeah. I want Jean Fucking Grey back, I want her kick collective ass on everyone, and I want Emma and Jean to be besties. or frenemies. talk shit about scott, wolverine's grooming habits/beer stink, and just have fun together...

hmmm i need a phoenix icon....

[auggie18]

...man, I should be excited about this. I love Jean. But damn if I don't expect this to end up being Rachel taking her mom's old costume and name or a time-displaced chrono-echo or something. Or bringing her back for one panel and killing her off. Or having this be another First Class series. (Though I love First Class.)


Still, if it works out, yay! Don't get back together with Scott! STAY AWAY FROM THAT MAN AND HIS HORRIBLE DEATH PENIS. Become the new Marvel psychologist, now that Leonard Sampson is dead! (Is he still dead?)

[morwen]

They're totally going to kill Scott, you realise.

[protogarrett]

I've been wondering if they'll do that, too. If they do, I hope it has some real gravity behind it. Plus, if this is Jean, lord, they really just can't let it go. Let her be dead for good already by the hands of Xorn that wasn't Magneto but not the other Xorn either.

[grimmbear]

I can only hope so. Maybe if Jean takes over as leader of the X-men they won't suck as badly as they have the last 10 years.
We'' also find out that she and Emma had been having lesbian psychic sex for many years before her death (and maybe after).

[siamesa]

This concept pleases me.

[morwen]

I made my predictions here. I'm calling Emma staying evil after Scott dies, and Jean and Logan hooking up (eew).

[droolfangrrl]

"When everything old is new again."

[icon_uk]

Can she currently be called evil? Misguided perhaps, but she does seem to be partly in the thrall of a cosmic entity.

[jaybee3]

I wouldn't mind Emma going evil (or at least grey again). She's more enjoyable that way IMO.

And I second the ewww on Jean/Logan. I hated it even in the Ultimate Universe - where even in that crapsack world, it was shown to be something that burned itself out within the space of a couple issues and then she was chasing Scott again and then there was Claremont's X-Men Forever continuity where literally moments after she dumped Scott and declared Logan the love of her life he was dead and she was getting it on with Beast and then when HE died she started with Scott again (seriously!). I halfway think Claremont hated Jean based on that.
But its obviously something that the Marvel editors want and if Cyclops was dead (as everybody assumes) then they will definitely go there.

A part of me actually wants her to be Jean's mind in Hope's body (and I like Hope and actually hoped they kept her rather than Jean) because it would totally point out the ickiness of Logan/Jean if it did happen.

[darkknightjrk]

I've seen something that I'm pretty sure proves that not to be the case. :O

[lucky_gamble]

From the feel of it, I'm betting it's just another "untold Jean Grey story."

It's a shame since I really want Jean Grey to make a return.

[protogarrett]

I did too, at first. But now I much prefer Emma over Jean.

[shadowpsykie]

why not have both? I mean i LOVE Jean always have always will, my first tatoo will be the Phoenix emblem because of her... but i also LOVE Emma. they could hang and talk about how annoying being with AvX/pre Whedon Scott

[salinea]

Motto!

[icon_uk]

See icon

[halloweenjack]

*golf clap*

[glprime]

*rising tempo clap*

[silverzeo]

Wait, did she die last time? I thought she turned into White Phoenix and went off to spread love to the cosmos or whatever....

[auggie18]

Yeah, that story was really weird. She died, but then she came back in the future and ascended into super Godhood or something.

And then Endsong happened and she ascended into super Godhood again.


But for some reason her body was still sticking around. Even though she ascended into super Godhood in it.

Endsong has a really weird place into continuity.

[protogarrett]

I have a feeling that it's going to be something else. Jean back in time, or perhaps that's Hope but Jean Grey's inhabiting her body, or something else entirely. I dunno. It seems that to tease us with this when we're only halfway through the event seems rather... odd.

[mrstatham]

They're already doing a 'The First X-Men' mini, and given the costume, I honestly wouldn't be surprised if this is meant to tie to that, somehow.

[darkknightjrk]

I doubt it--First X-Men is supposed to be set in the 60s and 70s with Sabretooth and the like, way before the actual First Class.

[mrstatham]

Ah, just another thing to eventually fuck up Marvel's sliding timescale, then.

[sir_razorback]

(from Entertainment Weekly)

"She will not be a zombie hologram, like Shard on X-Factor. "

I *liked* Shard. She was unique, and dated before Voyager's doctor if I remember right.

[icon_uk]

But some years after, just as a the first previous example, Rimmer on Red Dwarf (Who is a better analogy as he is a digitised real person, like Shard. whereas Voyager's Doctor was not)

[bmaryott]

So, we're back to "The only person to stay dead is Uncle Ben" right?

(I can't wait for the Wasp to come back. Anyone have a betting pool on that one?)

[roguezombie]

Don't forget Gwen Stacy. Although with her in the new movie, Marvel is probably thinking about bringing her back.

[bmaryott]

Damn, I thought she got brought back recently.

[starwolf_oakley]

Gwen Stacy coming back would be like bringing back Jason Todd... and not in a bad way. Depending on any "Came Back Wrong" scenarios, Gwen would be FURIOUS that Peter didn't kill Norman Osborn.

[darkknightjrk]

My theory is still that the big ramification in Spider-Men is that the Ultimate Gwen Stacy will find her way into the 616 universe.

[cainofdreaming]

Jackal had Gwen clones running around by the dozen, though.

[lencannon]

I dunno, if you thought the character named Pheonix was gonna stay perma-dead the mistake is probably on your end.

[brooms]

loling in the deep

i'm betting everyone who follows brevoort's formspring is flooding him with "WAT- BUT YOU SAID-" messages.

[northstarfan]

After they're done asking him to explain major plot points that the renowned architects keep forgetting to put in the actual cross-over.

[brooms]

and also after the thor's hammer and magic x science questions #3914 - #3985.

[cypherfdp]

Eh. Ehhhhhh.

[crabby_lioness]

Please stop. As someone who loves and respects these characters, please stop making their deaths and their lives meaningless.

[stolisomancer]

It's too early to say what it'll be. I wouldn't be surprised if they were doing some kind of Marvel 1960s series to coincide with the X-Men: First Class sequel.

[brooms]

i don't think they do stuff connected to fox's cinematic universe anymore, even though gage's and neal adams' the first x-men seems heavily inspired by it.

and i wonder if they'd risk putting any of the O5 in the sixties again when, according to brevoort, scott is supposed to be 28 and beast 30.

http://www.formspring.me/TomBrevoort/q/322072352361808484

[stolisomancer]

You know, that's a good point. I'd forgotten about the Fox vs. Disney rights issue.

I think I still have the comic where Hank complains about turning 30. It is at least 15 years old. Oh, comics.

[morwen]

I just read the one where Bobby turns 18. It was 45 years old. He should be drawing his pension soon.

[siamesa]

On the one hand, Jean Grey is probably one of my fave characters in comics, or at least in X-Men based cartoons, and as annoyed as I am that she's a punchline in fandom, I /would/ like to see her back.

On the other hand, from what I've seen of current X-Men comics (and what they've done to my poor Emma), I have a feeling this is not actually going to make me happy.

[his_spiffynesss]

Since we are seeing her in the Blue and Yellows, I'm wondering if some time travel shenanigans are afoot.

[sherkahn]

I'm thinking Jean Grey's mind in Hope's body.

[his_spiffynesss]

Which will add layers of fuckupedness to the Summers family line.

[icon_uk]

Eeeewwwww!

[big_daddy_d]

There's a reason I always said that these fuckin creators need to THINK before doing any kind of shock moment. Think before doing it and it sure as fuck better make sense and mean something. Don't do it just to do it and don't make it cheap. I don't mind a death and return on occasion but it gets sooo ridiculous when it's constant. Just stop killing characters and when one dies, make it mean something. By this point when someone dies, my reaction is "Oh he's fine. He'll be back next week."

[blackruzsa]

It's.... really weird.
When was the last time Jean was resurrected? Because the status quo says she's dead for always. Like, in my head, she'll always be dead, because she died before I was born.

Bringing her back would just mess up my head canon, and apparently upset a lot of people.

I can't say good or bad because I never liked Jean. It's just... weird.

[salinea]

When was the last time Jean was resurrected?
1986


Bringing her back would just mess up my head canon, and apparently upset a lot of people.
If that makes you feel better, lots of people are hoping for her to be brought at some point too. I've seen them on the internet.

[brooms]

i think she has the most devoted fanbase of any x-character ever. i find it pretty cool, tbh.

[salinea]

i think she has the most devoted fanbase of any x-character ever
She does have a very devoted fanbase. Not sure if it's more devoted than the one for a few other of the popular X-characters or not, but yeah, it's neat :)

[shadowpsykie]

actually jean was resurrected in 2001 i THINK in Morrison's New X-men... then killed AGAIN the next issue or two...

[salinea]

Well, it was a resurrection as part of an alternate future, so it's not really in continuity. Though there is the whole ascending to a higher plane of existence thing that makes things complicated (not to mention I haven't read Endsong).

[shadowpsykie]

No I meant when she burned up in the sun.

[salinea]

Oooh that.

Yeah, I don't really count it as a real "death and resurrection" if a character doesn't spend several issues thought as dead. Likewise for when Cyclops died during Whedon's run for example. That sort of fake out happens way too often in comics to count as a "death".

[shadowpsykie]

yeah... i think they were two slightly differnt incidents... i mean Cyclops was "dead" but that was faked. Jean actually DID die and burned up in the sun only to be risen by the phoenix.

But i see what you mean by that distinction

[salinea]

Not really, Cyke was really dead, nothing fake about it, it's just the... whatstheirname, alien species had a way to resurrect him and did (for the sake of interrogating him, which was just as planned by Scott).

[shadowpsykie]

oh ok... still... firey death and rebirth vs killed by torture, brought back and retortured... eh...

[salinea]

He was killed by space void, not torture. Well, not that it's a fun way to go either.


I'll take firey death in the sun myself. Probably quicker.

[md84]

I'm just surprised it took this long for a character named PHOENIX to come back to life.

[kraesil]

Oh dear. Ohhh dear.

Like things weren't messy enough already.

Continuity is SO gonna be screwed.

[dictionary00.livejournal.com]

Finally! For a character that supposedly dies all the time she hasn't been alive for entirely too long. I mean, Thor has died twice in the last ten years.

[amaresu]

Can she not have a romance with Logan or Scott if she's coming back? How about she's single and wants to stay single for awhile and figure out her life? And maybe go hang out with Storm, Domino, and Pixie because they're being sneaky and awesome.

It's just, this isn't much of a shocker ending when it's the thing I kept hearing people call when the Phoenix first started showing signs of coming back. The neat twist would to not bring her back.

[darkknightjrk]

Uh...I have the full image that EW teased at. Would it be kosher to post it here?

[salinea]

Sure!

[darkknightjrk]

Well, the picture I found, which was apparently from the full Entertainment Weekly article, has already been posted. However, Bleeding Cool just posted an article reading out a specific part of that EW article that probably explains how Jean's back:

"ALL NEW X-MEN: Brian Bendis takes on the most eccenctric and controversy-baiting Marvel NOW! book. The pitch: The original five teenage X-Men time-travel to the present day. “Here’s the big question that the original X-Men are gonna be faced with: ‘We’re gonna grow up and this is what we’re going to to get? That is not acceptable.” NOV. 2012"

It also frankly explains why Jean is wearing her old-school uniform.

[thandrak]

Her code name is Phoenix. Why are people surprised when she comes back to life?

[biod]

So does this mean that we might actually get the headcanon where Jean and Wanda room together in San Fransisco?

[shadowpsykie]

*sigh* I want Jean Back... but i don't know how I feel about them bringing a "Young Jean Grey" back... she is most likely not as powered. and probably lost any character development she has gained over the years....

[rdfox]

Welp, time for that friend who plans on cosplaying as Jean's tombstone (complete with Post-It Notes for adding new sets of dates to it) to add another date...