So Gutters seems to be alternating

[blackruzsa]

between SUPER TASTELESS OFFENSIVE POSTS and ACTUALLY REALLY INSIGHTFUL POSTS, as opposed to their usual "maybe it's a little funny but not really and it's a bit offensive too so..." posts.

Here's something insightful from Monday's update. But I have to warn you, do NOT look at the previous update. It offended even me! And yet, if you agree that Matt Murdock's a bit of a manwhore, it's pretty true.

.... But back to the comic at hand:




"A women"? WE NEED EDITORS HERE, STAT.

But "which doctor" "which companion" is a win for me.  

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[filthysize]

"But I have to warn you, do NOT look at the previous update. It offended even me! And yet, if you agree that Matt Murdock's a bit of a manwhore, it's pretty true. "

FYI, that's Al Pacino's monologue from Scent of a Woman. I don't really see the humor either, but the joke is more about the fact that both characters are blind than "Matt says offensive things."

[blackruzsa]

I fail so much at pop culture references.
*sits quietly in a corner*

[shadowpsykie]

CURSE YOU! I WAS GOING TO POST THIS!!!! :P

heehee i didn't even notice the WHich Doctor and WHich companion and then "What do you mean you like them all EquallY?" :)

[auggie18]

Oh, Gail Simone. Recently I forget how funny you can be.

This kinda reminds me of her book "You'll All Be Sorry." It'd be nice if she started doing articles again, but I guess she's pretty busy nowadays.

[glprime]

The mail in portion was great. By and large, I don't even find the elitism among geeks to be about gender lines, so much as, well, trying for elitism (though obviously Gail's pointing out the unique plight of ladies in the fandoms). The nerds have a growing social group they can begin to assert dominance in, so they like to be, y'know, raging assholes to anyone who isn't as "real" or "legit" as them in their fandom, making themselves feel empowered for placing themselves above others. Which is laughable for so very many reasons. IT'S FANDOM. Everybody likes some stuff, everybody dislikes other stuff. There's no winning or succeeding at it. (Though there is "getting it" or "not getting it.")

On the subject of the previous Gutters comic: How many people were getting the Al Pacino Scent of a Woman ref, and that it was more of a dig at Joe Carnahan (he of the Smokin' Aces, The A Team and The Grey) than anything comics related? And though I should be sending this off to Ryan Sohmer, a "sizzle reel" (also called a demo reel) is more often than not a video resume of past work. So the whole comic doesn't make much sense since that's not at all what Joe would be sending around. That would be a treatment or outline pitch.

(You're right, tho, an extended Scent of a Woman riff, just because both characters happen to be blind and making arguments in "courtroom settings," isn't very funny)

EDIT: And flithysize beats me to it :)

[salinea]

Geeks are elitist by nature, yes. But there's a special vicious kind that targets women. It all stacks up.

[blackruzsa]

But there's a special vicious kind that targets women.

It's called 9gag.

Naw but seriously though, 9gag is a pretty vicious place for girls on a bad day.

[salinea]

... never heard of that before. Afraid of googling.

[blackruzsa]

9gag is pretty fun apart from the rampant misogyny,
which usually pops up in the comments area but sometimes in the posts themselves.

I go there to pick fights with sexists and idiotic (just the idiotic ones, not the reasonable ones) Nolan-verse Batman fans.

.... It's where I go to be petty and aggressive, as opposed to being reasonable and objective.

[blackruzsa]

Oh, and um, 9gag is a place for fun/funny posts. It just sort of mutated due to the traffic of users there. It's kind of like the opposite of Tumblr in terms of member credo, but its twin in terms of posts.

[beoweasel]

So is Reddit for that matter.

[blackruzsa]

See, anything remotely Al Pacino goes right over my head :)) But yeah. I admit to being guilty of fandom elitism, it's not nice and it really doesn't work.

As for gender lines, well, it depends on the setting. Most fandoms have those sides which are respectful and fun, and those sides that often showcase the worst of the fans, and from experience, I've noticed a lot of the "worst" of the fans are pretty sexist, whether male or female.

[theflames]

The comic part of this felt so confusing.

The rest was all good.

I don't know if woman are the only people who get this though. Elitists are elitists, and will cut down anyone they can.

[jkcarrier]

I think women get it worse, especially cosplayers, who are often accused of just dressing up to get male attention.

[silverhammerman]

I feel like the fact that the actual costumes themselves tend to be specifically designed to "show off the goods" as it were, isn't really helping with those accusations, since it means that an accurate costume is also a very revealing costume.

[greenmask]

Accurate representations of costumes that are designed to appeal to the male gaze are probably gonna appeal to the male gaze, it's true. But having an attraction or reaction to something doesnt excuse spewing rude and noisy opinions all over the con centre or internet - personal responsibility can't be ignored by the audience, even if their first impression is that the cosplayer is neglecting their own. Writing a comment in judgement of someone based on clothing choice is the cue to look at one's own prejudices, not to hit "post".

I see that your comment is about the climate of female representation in the official books and is placing responsibility on the companies who own the costume trademarks! *general elaboration on the point*

[theflames]

Hmm, yeah I guess that is pretty true, thats pretty vicious of people to do really.

[silverhammerman]

Yeah, I'm confused by how The Gutters keeps going back and forth between genuinely insightful commentary on comics and the culture surrounding them, and some really, really stupid jokes.

[blackruzsa]

They always bring up interesting issues in the comics culture at large... but they're hit and miss when it comes to reacting to or commenting on said issue.

Part of the reason I read Gutters is to be updated on what's going on with comics :) Whether or not they're tasteless/offensive or insightful/meaningful, I always get a bit of info on stuff I wouldn't have known about otherwise.

[kurenai_tenka]

All right, pick a Robin, and it better not be Jason:...

Hah.

[icon_uk]

Indeed! :)

Though I hope I'm never THAT judgemental....

[kurenai_tenka]

Haha, well you're improving. ;)

[blackruzsa]

I'd'a gone with Tim :)) So who's YOUR favorite Robin?

[kurenai_tenka]

I fear the questionnaire will be disappointed in me if I answer. ;)

[blackruzsa]

Either way, the Questionnaire has "screw you" in the list, so it'd be disappointed either way :))

[kurenai_tenka]

Hah, true. By that logic maybe Jason *is* the correct answer. :P

[benicio127]

Of course it is ;)

[kurenai_tenka]

*High five*! :D

[janegray]

Me too! Me too! *group hug*

[kurenai_tenka]

Hehe! :D

[runespoor]

Me three! :D

[kaileighblue]

I kinda wish it ended at "I don't give a shit about what that lardhead says." That's really all anyone needs to do with someone is a jerk.

I know it's a parody of Charles Atlas ad but oh my god do we have enough of those.

[janegray]

But they can be so funny!

http://www.teamfortress.com/sniper_vs_spy/day07_english.htm

Poor Spy

[lissa_quon]

I see you the Jarate comic and raise you

http://thepunchlineismachismo.com/archives/331 - Manly Men Doing Manly Things edition

[janegray]

I see your Manly Guys and raise my High Five!

http://www.teamfortress.com/manniversary/highfive.html

[blackruzsa]

True, but often "not giving a shit" doesn't work as well as coming out on top. Of course, by less violent, more reasonable means, but the "ignore the idiot" method doesn't work for most people who aren't as passive-aggressive as others.

But maybe that's just me.

[kaileighblue]

Coming out on top means beating up people now? It's not being passive-aggressive to just not care about what some stranger thinks about you. Or since it's obviously drawn with the intention that he looks stupid too she could have turned around and made fun of him. It would have made more sense in the context instead of her suddenly getting muscular for no apparent reason.

[blackruzsa]

I did say less violent.
Confrontation doesn't always require a fist fight.

[moetushie]

*Chooses Jason anyway*

[blackruzsa]

I think you're meant to ;)

[eyz]

Ha :P
Gail Simone doing one of those pages, glad to see all these talented people taking part in the gutters lately.

[blackruzsa]

Probably became a trend :))
And when you think about it, since Gutters is not generally known for its sensitivity, the guest writers have freedom to talk without worrying about who they'd offend... because frankly, Gutters offends everyone. That's kind of why it's Gutters.

A bit of creative freedom.

[icon_uk]

Just because you have something doesn't mean you HAVE to use it. Unless of course, you're creating a causality loop, in which case you should.

[eeemkaaayy]

I'm so using 'eat a mouthful of empowerment!' now